Infosys Founder Calls For 70-Hour Work Week, Again (theregister.com) 160
Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy has once again argued for Indian workers to spend 70 hours a week in paid employment. From a report: Murthy called for the long working hours in October 2023 and then again in January 2024, and recently shared his opinion that two-day weekends were a mistake.
His views have earned plenty of criticism, but he's not backing down. On Sunday he addressed the Indian chamber of Commerce's centenary celebration and reportedly argued 70-hour weeks are necessary because millions of Indian citizens remain in poverty, so those who have jobs should work long hours and embrace entrepreneurialism to create jobs for others.
His views have earned plenty of criticism, but he's not backing down. On Sunday he addressed the Indian chamber of Commerce's centenary celebration and reportedly argued 70-hour weeks are necessary because millions of Indian citizens remain in poverty, so those who have jobs should work long hours and embrace entrepreneurialism to create jobs for others.
Makes sense (Score:5, Insightful)
Oligarch problems.
What other jobs? (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds like he wants to go back to the 19th century where everyone except the top few percent are treated like paid slaves and if they get ill and die, so what, there are another - in this case - billion of them as replacements.
Re:What other jobs? (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds like he wants to go back to the 19th century where everyone except the top few percent are treated like paid slaves and if they get ill and die, so what, there are another - in this case - billion of them as replacements.
19th century... or the 21st century's gig economy.
Re:What other jobs? (Score:5, Informative)
He's talking about India and the Indian labor market. We see many rich and upper middle class Indians as tourists everywhere, but that is because even a tiny percentage is a huge absolute number when talking about 1.3 billion people. For the vast, vast majority of Indian people, actual reality is more or less exactly what you merely described as an exxageration. It is not, it is real.
Look at how travel by rail works in India and you can estimate the sheer number of people per unit of whatever resource and consequently, how much Indian society values each of these people and their lives. Worse, how these people themselves value their own lives, as measured by the precautions they take to ensure their very own survival or care they place on making their surroundings pleasant.
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He's talking about India and the Indian labor market.
I've done some work with Infosys North America teams.
Emails come in from them at midnight. Detailed complex reports are requested my Infosys managers at 4pm and are in the cloud folder by 7am.
While I haven't specifically asked, it's pretty apparent that culture of long hours is present in their operations on this side of the pond as well.
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Re: What other jobs? (Score:3, Insightful)
Sounds to me more like he just misses the caste system.
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Its still alive and well. He probably just wants to make sure the lower castes know their place and stay in it. The british class system is mere shades of grey compared to the know-your-place-scum-or-else indian caste system.
Re: What other jobs? (Score:5, Insightful)
He probably just wants to make sure the lower castes know their place and stay in it.
This very much. 70 hour shifts work great for mindless easy tasks, for example handing out advertising leaflets at a door or standing around waiting to do some labour. There's not going to be much productivity gain for a task requiring level of intelligence or care, like for example a barista, a software developer or a road repair person trying to do it properly.
What this does do, though, is guarantee that you go home tired and have no time to start your own business or do other valuable activities which might compete with Murthy or help bring India up to the standards of China or the West.
Re: What other jobs? (Score:4, Interesting)
Its still alive and well. He probably just wants to make sure the lower castes know their place and stay in it. The british class system is mere shades of grey compared to the know-your-place-scum-or-else indian caste system.
I watched a video about the caste system in modern India a couple days ago. It was pretty horrifying. What the actual hell?
The dalit are ironically called untouchables, while their women are often a source of sexual fun or violence for higher caste men. You don't want to be a dalit female.
Re: What other jobs? (Score:2)
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If you make everyone work 70 hours, they will find other jobs. So those left will be overworked, underpaid, and under-cared for. Oligarch problems.
I think that the idea is to make a 70 hour work week the universal national norm so that workers will have nowhere else to go. I live in a first world country where the fallback working hours are encoded in a 19th century law are 16 hours a day 6 days per week, that's a 96 hour work week. If you are not a member of a union, that's the hours your employer can are obligate you to work should he so desire. Employers who refuse to acknowledge your union membership in employment contracts (and they usually hire
Quotes from the articles (Score:2)
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- Infosys founder calls for 70-hour work week – again – claiming it creates jobs
- Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy has once again argued for Indian workers to spend 70 hours a week in paid employment.
- 70-hour weeks are necessary because millions of Indian citizens remain in poverty, so those who have jobs should work long hours and embrace entrepreneurialism to create jobs for others.
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Not a bad FP, but the key phrase I was looking for would be "trickle-down jobs" because that seems to be what the greedy fool is advocating. The discussion only contained one brief mention of trickle-down economics.
Seems pretty clear India must have no overtime pay. It makes MUCH more sense to directly create two 35-hour jobs with happier employees unless you can pick the better employee and force him to work 70 hours for the same (or less) money.
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With 1 day off you can do 6 12-hour workdays and get to that number of 70 hours per week
Knowing this I'm not surprised at all by how "good" our Infosys service is.
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"Asian countries have no "weekends" unless it is a government job, or a school, or a bank."
Bull-fucking-shit.
Having spent more than a little time in SE Asia, you are so wrong (and stupid) that we really need a new word to describe it.
Seriously, Angelo, if you ever listened to yourself, you'd shut the fuck up. The never-ending stream of military-grade diarrhea and misinformation that spews from your mouth could be the 8th Wonder of the World because it just never stops.
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While I agree with you and disagree with the Funny mods, I don't like the ad hominem approach. Rather I think the negative reactions to stupid comments should have stronger effects on the public reputation and the negative reputation should reduce the visibility.
Don't hate the sinner. Hate the stupid things. And just let the things make him go away. (I don't suppose anyone knows a website that actually works that way?)
Re: Makes sense (Score:3, Informative)
He's Indian so technically he's a caste-ist, not classist.
Re: Makes sense (Score:5, Interesting)
He's Indian so technically he's a caste-ist, not classist.
Caste equates to class. Wealth is one way to determine societal standing but not the only way. Even in the west we had the concept of considering someone from the nobility to be of higher class than a merchant who technically had more money.
We basically had a caste system it just was only 2 levels (noble and commoner) and the commoners were never subjected to quite as much derision as the lowest class of Indian society.
Re: Makes sense (Score:4, Funny)
In Soviet Russia, he would either be executed as a people's enemy, or be in the government.
Re: Makes sense (Score:2)
They can always export to the USA (if orange man won't kill them with tariffs)
Re: Makes sense (Score:2)
Because... (Score:3)
4 yorkshireman (Score:3)
... worked 29 hours a day, and paid the mill owner for permission to come to work...
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.... and when you tell young people this, they don't believe you!
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And when I got home, Father'd murder us and dance around on our grave singing, "Hallelujah."
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Alternatively... (Score:5, Interesting)
Or, and hear me put because this is radical, hire those poor people to work the extra 30 hours a week and weekends?
Productivity (Score:5, Interesting)
Or, and hear me put because this is radical, hire those poor people to work the extra 30 hours a week and weekends?
It's even more fundamental than that. India is poorer because its workers are not as productive as those in western countries. Trying to get rich by outworking people is both myopic and a waste of time in the industrial age. You'll never win using shovels to compete with diggers.
If Narayana really wanted to help his country become richer, he would figure out how to transform his business from a lowest cost outsourcer to a top tier OEM developer. Imagine if Infosys made the best CAD software in the world - out competing Autodesk. Or had an OS that could compete with Microsoft. Or produced a search engine that competed with Google. Ironically the fact that his firm has failed to move up the value chain is really the core issue, not that his workers aren't doing enough hours.
Of course I imagine he understands this completely, and has tried various things to achieve this but doesn't know how too.
Expectation setting (Score:2)
A business is usually free to declare that individuals are expected to put in a 70(+?) hour work week.
And employees (existing or potential) are also free to accept or reject those conditions, leaving (or not applying) if they do not agree with the conditions of employment
Whether a 70 hour work week demand is successful for a company and their employees is likely to come down to whether there will be increased compensation and benefits over working the more standard 40 hours per week (if the compensation is
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And employees (existing or potential) are also free to accept or reject those conditions,
By that logic, then there should be no problem with truckers driving 24 hours a day, railroad crews pulling 70 hour continuous shifts, air line pilots doing a 40 hour flight, and a nuclear power plant operator running a reactor for months at a time without rest or breaks.
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Well no, this guy it wanting his employees to work 10 hour days, 7 days a week.
Nobody suggested at any time that any one work without sleep.
Re:Expectation setting (Score:5, Insightful)
Well no, this guy it wanting his employees to work 10 hour days, 7 days a week.
Nobody suggested at any time that any one work without sleep.
Also, he's not suggesting that working extra hours should earn additional compensation. However, he's somewhat implying that by having his worker ants work longer hours for the same pay, he will get rich, and he will pass that accumulated wealth to the entire country, thus benefiting the hordes of poor people. That's why his workers are curmudgeons who adamantly refuse to bless the poor people. And we all know that trickle-down economics always works.
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Or we get the legislation sorted out and make them 38 hour weeks and pay them with those conditions.
We dont HAVE to abandon people to predation by market forces.
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Or we get the legislation sorted out and make them 38 hour weeks and pay them with those conditions.
We dont HAVE to abandon people to predation by market forces.
India is a sovereign country. So they should sort it out for themselves. As the most populated country in the world, having 1.5 billion out of 8 billion of human critters, that is 20 percent of the world's entire population in one country - t does seem a little off that with such a pool of people, some Brahmin wants employees to work a 70 hour week.
Civilized world. (Score:4, Interesting)
>> A business is usually free to declare that individuals
Nope. In most of the civilized world, this is strictly forbidden, and also dangerous for people's lives.
In Germany for example, you are never not allowed to work more than 10h, the workplace is supposed to kick you out at 10h, and you are not supposed to even drive home (they are supposed to arrange a taxi ride). At least that is the theory.
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>> A business is usually free to declare that individuals Nope. In most of the civilized world, this is strictly forbidden, and also dangerous for people's lives.
In Germany for example, you are never not allowed to work more than 10h, the workplace is supposed to kick you out at 10h, and you are not supposed to even drive home (they are supposed to arrange a taxi ride). At least that is the theory.
Many places in the civilized world, there are people that work longer than 10 hours when needed. A lot of jobs. Even my own. My previous job often had me in a remote setting like a ship at sea. You want to get back sooner, so you work longer. Then when you get back, you might disappear for a while in compensation.
Or testing. Some experiments run longer than 24 hours. There have been many times I've taken a quick 5 minute power nap, then gone back to monitoring - yes, someone else was monitoring for that t
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You mean in the Bunny World in which you live, this seems like a solution. However, in a dirt poor society like India, the workers have little choice but to accept the work that is offered. Infosys is in a bit of your Bunny World as there are other "high-tech" companies that will steal his labor. But in general, you are full of shit.
Re:Expectation setting (Score:5, Insightful)
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That would be a great theory if you are so completely ignorant that you think that all jobs and locations are interchangeable, and that all workers are making a legitimate free choice. Anyone observing the real world for more than a few minutes would realize how idiotically false this premise is, and the resulting "conclusion" is just libertarian fantasizing about how letting companies be complete assholes is somehow good for an economy despite every time this has been tried it has shown to be a disaster for the workers and their economy.
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The Boeing of IT? (Score:4, Insightful)
I almost never did good work when working too many hours. My brain and eyes start to turn to mush, even when I was in my 30's. It might be good enough to finish a project that one is already quite familiar with by a deadline if there are good testers helping, but it shouldn't be a regular business practice unless you are okay with C- quality.
This (Score:5, Informative)
Just like ever more tax there's a sweet spot beyond which you actually get less productivity/money. Unfortunately a lot of people including this rich idiot either don't understand or don't care.
Still, at least he's proven to the world that he's just another wealthy sociopath happy to stand on the backs of others to make people like him rich. For similar examples look at the oligarchs of the 19th century and how they treated their factory workers though in certain respects thats the century india is still living in.
Re:The Boeing of IT? (Score:5, Insightful)
It is India he's talking about. Not Indians working abroad or as CEOs somewhere, but the vast majority of Indians working in India.
If you want to evaluate the level of quality that is routinely delivered by Indian workers and Indian companies from India, and thus accepted by Indian CEOs and Indian society as a whole, please try to find 10 branches of industry where India is renowned worldwide for. Or just products or maybe even a few world-famous brands from India. Try it.
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Well the US has weird regulations for road vehicles, but in the rest of the world, Jaguar Land Rover cars and Royal Enfield motorcycles are doing pretty well. India is a huge exporter of agricultural products. And whether you like it or not, India really is world-renowned for IT and business process outsourcing.
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I almost never did good work when working too many hours. My brain and eyes start to turn to mush, even when I was in my 30's. It might be good enough to finish a project that one is already quite familiar with by a deadline if there are good testers helping, but it shouldn't be a regular business practice unless you are okay with C- quality.
It is something that varies with the individual. I can do a hundred hour week without an issue, but not even several of them in a row. And yeah, the mental stamina tends to be inversely related to age. Need to decompress and recharge the batteries.
Reminds me of the joke about older men and sex: "I'm not as good as I once was, but as good once as I ever was"
This is how you create a revolt. (Score:5, Insightful)
70-hour weeks are necessary because millions of Indian citizens remain in poverty, so those who have jobs should work long hours and embrace entrepreneurialism to create jobs for others.
What the hell is the ask here exactly? Should I dedicate 40 hours to an employer, and then another 30 hours every week whittling out some entrepreneurial employment, as if the average overworked citizen can just pull jobs out of their ass for the poor? Are there NDAs involved that prevent sharing of information that entrepreneurs often need? Are there contracts in place with the primary employer that prevent you from directly competing? Who owns the patents and IP when you create all that “on the clock” of someone else?
Obvious legalities aside, this entire concept reminds me of the scene in Ford vs. Ferrari where the CEO of Ford forced every employee to “ruminate” and come up with fresh ideas for cars within 24 hours, or find new jobs. Arrogance, will get you nowhere today as a leader. That’s not how you make employees. That’s how you start a revolt. We’re a bit too far gone from slavery for leaders to assume that can make that shit fashionable again.
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Given that the context in which this Indian billionaire made these statements is a speech to the Indian chamber of commerce, it's necessary to ask whether your statement is made from an Indian perspective or from the perspective of a more prosperous country. I'm European and I don't claim much knowledge about the social situation in India, but I do occasionally see news stories about people from count
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An American perspective, and you absolutely bring fair points. Been to a few places around the world to not question it. However, I feel that any leader actually wanting to correct the problem of poverty, still has the moral compass to define and address that as a problem. In previous times of literal slavery, that would have more been viewed as an opportunity to feed. I have to assume he’s not a fan regardless of the current situation. Still, his ask is quite extreme in a world that has found pr
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What the hell is the ask here exactly?
All non-sleep hours must be used to work for him. 70 hours is just the max number that he felt comfortable saying; otherwise, he would have said 120 hours(which I have done for two years straight at one point in my life).
Hope he stays in India (Score:4, Interesting)
Otherwise someone should add his name to a list of greedy CEO's who deserve the special ending.
Re: Hope he stays in India (Score:2)
Why should he move to the West, where peons aren't trained to obey?
(Okay, they're trained, but for different things).
Motivation (Score:5, Insightful)
Doesn't mean everyone else feels the same, so shut up and hire more staff.
Re:Motivation (Score:4, Interesting)
This is a general problem with work. The people with the worst work/life balance, the worst attitude to work, tend to be the ones who are promoted and rewarded. They then become managers and expect their subordinates to be as bad as they are.
This guy is going to find that as India develops, fewer people are interested in his BS. China is seeing the same thing, with younger people unwilling to do the one 996 (9AM to 9PM, 6 days a week) and just wanting 9-5.
Meanwhile I hope 4 day weeks catch on in the UK. Trials have gone well.
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This is a general problem with work. The people with the worst work/life balance, the worst attitude to work, tend to be the ones who are promoted and rewarded. They then become managers and expect their subordinates to be as bad as they are.
This guy is going to find that as India develops, fewer people are interested in his BS. China is seeing the same thing, with younger people unwilling to do the one 996 (9AM to 9PM, 6 days a week) and just wanting 9-5.
Meanwhile I hope 4 day weeks catch on in the UK. Trials have gone well.
The business of work/life balance is a tricky one. Mainly because it varies so much by the individual. There are people out their who want a 0/100 balance, people who become stressed at 10/90, or myself, who worked at levels considered pathological, yet had a very acceptable balance. A 40 hour week was the exception for me, it averaged around 60. Yet I spent a lot of time with my family, was the CEO of a youth Ice Hockey association, and a coach on my son's team. Tallying up the hours, I almost certainly sp
Oh, the dishonesty (Score:5, Interesting)
This shows only, how cheap Indian lives are. Japan has been there, done that and now, Tokyo city is enforcing a 4-day work-week.
Other posts have noticed the dishonesty of this statement.
As millionaires prove, having more money does not mean buying more stuff. Sure there are a few upgrades, a holiday cabin instead of a camping tent, etc. But mostly, rich people own the same amount of stuff as middle-class people. Instead of people making tents, people will be making cabins, so the number of jobs, changes very little. Then there's economy of scale, meaning twice the demand is converted to machines and robots, not twice the employees.
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Other posts have noticed the dishonesty of this statement.
Well, yeah, obviously. If the guy wanted to create more jobs for others, he would hire two people for 35 hours per week instead of being angry that he can't hire one person for 70 hours. Besides being far less horrible for the workers, you'll get better output quality (assuming a large enough number of competent workers), because they won't be so exhausted all the time.
Similarly, if the guy really cared about workers earning enough money, he would increase the hourly amount that they charge American compa
Newflash (Score:2)
Why are we still reporting on this dick if he has nothing new to say?
Two words: (Score:3)
You first.
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Oh, but he does. He does his CEO job even while sleeping.
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Re: Essentially... (Score:4, Interesting)
The British Raj was strongly supported by a class of wealthy and powerful locals (this is the British colonialism modus operandi everywhere). They strived to continue the Raj without the Brits. He is most probably one of these folks.
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And the moral of this tale (Score:5, Insightful)
Billionaires are billionaires for a reason. And it has very little to do with their caring attitude to the people who made them their billions.
I now understand the issue with Infosys (Score:5, Informative)
It's not that the individual Infosys employee is incompetent, it's that they are unstructured into disorganization, that they don't trust anyone to actually do some work, without at least ten times the people watching, and that there is no clear attribution of roles. And of course, people get thrown at problems they don't have experience with, are not educated to solve, and something like mentorship seems not a concept at all.
With this management style, I can see why someone wants them 70 hrs a week working, because they barely manage to get 25 hrs of productivity out of that time. But as we say: The fish begins to stink starting at the head.
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I too have worked with Infosys employees, and I can attest to the fact that the vast majority of them seem to have no idea what to do or why. They have ZERO initiative and will never make any decision, no matter how trivial, without consensus from a dozen other people. When they do finally do something, they take the path of most resistance, write the shittiest code, and rope in the rest of their team to help them figure out how to wipe their own butts.
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I too have worked with Infosys employees, and I can attest to the fact that the vast majority of them seem to have no idea what to do or why. They have ZERO initiative and will never make any decision, no matter how trivial, without consensus from a dozen other people. When they do finally do something, they take the path of most resistance, write the shittiest code, and rope in the rest of their team to help them figure out how to wipe their own butts.
Yep, their front line employees are utterly useless. Their management does their best to obfuscate this in the manner described by the GP post. Never let a decision be made, always start a new debate before any actionables can be put to paper. The more people you can involve the better.
Employer of last resort (Score:5, Interesting)
Even amongst the Indian IT outsourcing industry, they do not have a very good reputation and in the latest rankings by CIO.com, they were 7th out of 10. They are even behind companies that started after them, originated abroad, had little understanding of the local landscape and faced insurmountable challenges in getting a foothold in India.
CEO "work" (Score:2)
70 hours spent ordering people around.
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Embrace what? (Score:3)
Embrace entrepreneurialism? Please explain how an overworked slave doing a mind-numbing job 70+ hours a week will embrace entrepreneurialism. This guy has lost his connection to reality.
A manager who "works" 70 hours a week while sitting idle half of this time could embrace entrepreneurialism, but not the average worker.
Competitiveness (Score:5, Informative)
The first rule of competitiveness is to eliminate things that are harmful to business. The quality of work done follows a simple curve with a reflex point around hour 7, where productivity is close to zero but not actually negative.
After hour 7, work has an increasing number of errors, such that productivity is actually negative. This work costs the business money. That isn't being competitive, that's being stupid.
Studies show that a four day working week, with 7 hours of work per day, yields the greatest productivity per unit cost. Less than that OR more than that, productivity yield per unit cost falls.
We also know that such a work week would reduce stress-related health conditions and illnesses.
If you want highest profit margins, then you pay a fair day's wage on an ideally 28 hour working week, but a 32-35 hour working week (4 days at 8 hours or 5 days at 7 hours) will still boost productivity.
Infosys' cofounder is a moron.
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Yep. And that has been reliably _known_ for a long, long time. The original studies go back to Henry Ford. You can work 8h per day if you do one or two hours of light work, like easy admin stuff, but that is essentially it. And doing that 5 days per week seems to already not be better than 4 days. People claiming that is not true for them are delulu, no known exceptions. There are a lot of delulul executives around, though.
That is also the reason why current experiments find that 4 day work-weeks (at 8h eac
Hey Narayana Murthy (Score:2)
Ha ha, fuck you Narayana Murthy.
Young, single and bored? (Score:3)
When I was young, single and bored: if someone had offered me a really interesting job, I would have worked 70 hours/week on it. Assuming, of course. commensurate pay. Somehow, I doubt this guy intends to pay particularly well for those 70 hours, or else he could just hire two people at 35 hours/week.
Later in life? Forget it. You have a partner you want to see more than occasionally, you want kids, you have a house to maintain... Nope, not gonna happen.
Cute hours to 35 and hire two of them (Score:4, Insightful)
Quick and easy way to uplift millions of people out of poverty, Scrooge.
Why paid employment? (Score:2)
Unpaid employment would extract more shareholder value. I say 40 hours paid and 30 hours unpaid.
salary pay with NO OT pay but you don't dare work (Score:2)
salary pay with NO OT pay but you don't dare work less then 40 hours an week.
Too tired (Score:2)
Why stop there? (Score:2)
By his logic, why not 80hr workweeks! (Score:2)
By his logic, why not 80hr workweeks!
People this shortsighted always fall for "moar better!"
Unions (Score:5, Insightful)
How did the work week in America go from 72 hour (6 days, 12 hours per day) to 40 hours? Unions, and then legislation. Of course big employers are going to expect long hours of work for as little pay as possible. There was some violence along the way, as there always is when there's a lot of money at stake. Worth it? Yes.
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No, it was Henry Ford.
He paid his employees very well and gave them an extra day off to compete in the employee market.
The competition quickly matched his offer to retain talent and workers in other industries demanded the same.
You can look all that up, just not on an AFLCIO website.
Silver lining (Score:2)
How many hours does he work? (Score:2)
I'm curious to know how many hours does he work as an CEO?
Rich guy: You should pay the poor people! (Score:2)
> As of August 2024, Narayana Murthy's net worth was estimated to be $5.1 billion, making him the 606th richest person in the world according to Forbes.
Fucking billionaires. I'm so done with these jerkwads. If he wasn't such a miser, maybe *he* could put some energy into diminishing poverty.
Perfect! (Score:2)
Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy is free to both work a 70-Hour work we if he likes.
Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy can also go fuck himself.
Gig Economy (Score:2)
He seems to see having a "job" as a privilege only a minority will have. It may be that he sees a society in which large numbers of people do not have "jobs", they have the equivalent of what we might call gigs. They raise food and sell it. They fish. They have very small businesses or provide services for a fee. These are never-ending "jobs" where people's lives are entirely centered on survival. There is no steady source of income that isn't directly connected to the outcome of your personal activity. You
Sounds like a job (Score:2)
Terrible (Score:2)
You just don't get the best from people. This becomes living at work, people start early, nod off, wake up for a few hours and then go back to sleep. You cannot survive like that.
The other angle is that it makes 50, or 60 hour work weeks look like a successful compromise.
The math doesn't math (Score:2)
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Unfortunately, the Church of Scientology has a patent on Process R2-45.
Re: More toxic caste system (Score:2)
African mining comes to mind.
Re: That should be illegal (Score:2)
No thanks. I prefer to be paid for productivity. I don't wanna sit around at the office after I've accomplished my goals trying to pad out my timesheet. Salary is way better than hourly.