
Dog-Walking Startup 'Wag' Files For Bankruptcy (sfgate.com) 89
An anonymous reader quotes a report from SFGATE: During the 2010s' boom in on-demand services such as Uber and DoorDash, Wag staked a claim to the market for dog walking. It became a buzzy, high-flying company, at one point gaining a valuation of around $650 million, and grew to offer a whole range of tech products for pet care. But as the years passed, struggles mounted and profits remained elusive. On July 21, Wag filed (PDF) for bankruptcy. To stay alive, the San Francisco-headquartered company is now using bankruptcy court to restructure in what's known as a Chapter 11 process. Its lines of business -- including gig-work dog walking and sitting, pet insurance, and the veterinary tool "Furscription" -- will remain open, according to a news release. If a judge approves Wag's restructuring plan, it will take the company off the public markets and into the private hands of a company called Retriever.
On the same day of the bankruptcy filing, Wag's chief financial officer, Alec Davidian, submitted a document (PDF) supporting and explaining the move. He wrote that Wag's "monthly revenues declined rapidly after March 2020 as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic" and pointed to $69.5 million in losses from 2022 through 2024. The losses weren't Wag's only problem. The company had taken out debt in 2022 when it went public, and in that loan agreement, it had set a minimum level of cash Wag would need to have on hand at all times. This year, Wag dropped below that amount, Davidian wrote. Wag also failed to find a third-party deal to get more money, the CFO noted, and its debt obligations are set to mature in August, meaning the company was "facing a dire liquidity crisis." So, Wag opted for the bankruptcy proceeding, in which it plans to eliminate the 2022 debt, which is currently held by Retriever. "Through the Restructuring," Davidian wrote, "[Wag] will emerge from these Chapter 11 Cases a stronger company, with a more sustainable capital structure that is better aligned with [Wag's] present and future operating prospects."
On the same day of the bankruptcy filing, Wag's chief financial officer, Alec Davidian, submitted a document (PDF) supporting and explaining the move. He wrote that Wag's "monthly revenues declined rapidly after March 2020 as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic" and pointed to $69.5 million in losses from 2022 through 2024. The losses weren't Wag's only problem. The company had taken out debt in 2022 when it went public, and in that loan agreement, it had set a minimum level of cash Wag would need to have on hand at all times. This year, Wag dropped below that amount, Davidian wrote. Wag also failed to find a third-party deal to get more money, the CFO noted, and its debt obligations are set to mature in August, meaning the company was "facing a dire liquidity crisis." So, Wag opted for the bankruptcy proceeding, in which it plans to eliminate the 2022 debt, which is currently held by Retriever. "Through the Restructuring," Davidian wrote, "[Wag] will emerge from these Chapter 11 Cases a stronger company, with a more sustainable capital structure that is better aligned with [Wag's] present and future operating prospects."
Oh holy shit (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh holy shit. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Venture capitalists have to be some of the stupidest people in the history of humanity. But I guess they only have to score once. Jesus Christ.
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Move the company? S.F. probably has a huge customer base. Lots of people who bought covid puppies but don't have the time for them.
Move to my neighborhood? Doubtful that would be a wise decision. My neighbors have more chickens than my dog knows what to do with.
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I'm assuming all gig work setup is done online. Why does it matter where the company is located? Their corporate headquarters could be anywhere.
Re: Oh holy shit (Score:5, Insightful)
When I use Uber, I don't care who the driver is. I just need to get from A to B.
If I pay someone to walk my dog, it needs to be the same person each time, because dogs don't trust strangers.
So I have an obvious financial incentive to disintermediate the relationship and make a deal directly with the walker, cutting Wag out.
Re: Oh holy shit (Score:2)
Exactly. Taxi is a commodity product. Dog walker or nanny is not. Once the dog walker is found, there is no need to go through the middleman company. There is no recurring business there.
Re: Oh holy shit (Score:1)
Exactly. Taxi is a commodity product. Dog walker or nanny is not. Once the dog walker is found, there is no need to go through the middleman company.
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And any dog that is walked by multiple strangers will eventually come to trust strangers with a leash in their hand.
That's OK if your dog has no resale value. But dog theft [fourpawsusa.org] is significant and increasing. When I lived in Marysville, the methed-up neighbors tried to steal a housemate's dog.
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dog theft [fourpawsusa.org] is significant and increasing.
Ah! There's the business idea! "Commando Ninja Dog Walkers", protecting your dog from all threats of violence and theft. High-end service, mainly for celebrities and what-not. Where are the venture capitalists now?
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I have an obvious financial incentive to disintermediate the relationship and make a deal directly with the walker, cutting Wag out.
And if that particular walker isn't available for some reason? It can be good to have a backup. And maybe a company that provides training, background checks, and insurance. Or if the dog is sociable, you could use day care.
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Everyone I know who makes my equivalent AGI, except for my household, has 1+ dogs, work crazy hours, and have been told that their dogs are lonely and depressed.
Not one or two people.
EVERYONE. Dozens upon dozens of my clients, colleagues, peers, friends from grade school, etc, have a dog or two, and then they have to have someone come spend time with said dog when they're putting 10+ hours away from them.
Wag/Rover/etc is part of their crazy consumer spending. I always am shocked to hear they're spending $
Because people work 12 hours a day (Score:3, Informative)
At some point your dog needs to get taken out and if there's nobody around to do it your options are to come home to a pile of poop or pay somebody to do it.
In the old days you would have a neighborhood kid do it but our birth rate is something like 1.6 and a lot of those
Re:Because people work 12 hours a day (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree with you in that having to work 12x6 is fucked. However, if you are in that shitty position, you should not own a dog. Leaving a dog home alone that much with no companionship is just not good for them, even if you can afford a walker. Someone in that position should do the responsible thing, both for their own finances and ethically, and just not take on pet ownership.
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However, if you are in that shitty position, you should not own a dog.
My wife and I figured that out during covid. We were both "essential" employees and by the time we took care of work and our two children, we had no time for anything else. Our dogs were living shitty lives and it killed us to do it but we rehomed them. I was upset about it but after it was done, I was even more upset that we hadn't done it sooner... because we let them live those shitty lives while we kept on keeping on trying to figure things out.
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Also why is it that the solution to late stage capitalism is always for the individual to make their lives worse?
This cult of personal responsibility is killing us all. The obsession with individualism and ignoring systemic problems is going to fight Us in the ass hard and soon.
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No one's saying a person that works 12 hours a day shouldn't have a pet at all, just not a dog. Maybe go with a cat, which - depending on individual personality, but generally - is content with being left alone all day (with some things it can do on its own) and uses a litterbox. Or some rats, whic
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Right, I agree with you, but the solution to late stage capitalism isn't more late stage capitalism by hiring a gig worker to watch your dog while you are at your soul destroying job. It's not the dog's fault that we created this fucked up system. I'm not even a dog lover. I'm decidedly dog agnostic, but I feel bad for all these animals that were bred for human companionship and are not getting their needs met.
Oh and something I should add (Score:2)
There are a hell of a lot of abandoned dogs and cats right now because we are heading into a recession. The shelters can't even begin to keep up.
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So you take some of the money you got from those six 12-hour shifts and you pay somebody to take your dog out to poop.
Your kid is working six 12 hour shifts per week and wasting money on owning a dog? You just can't cure stupid.
You're broke and constantly trying to get other people to subsidize your poor decision making and it sounds like you've managed to pass your poor decision making skills on to the next generation. Maybe if you'd taught your kid not to take on expenses they can't afford they wouldn't have to work six 12 hour shifts per week.
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Perhaps his kid is working those long hours not just to earn money but to, at least in his mind, to help build his career.
Or, maybe, he's at a promising startup that's yet to release a product (let alone go public) and has gobs of stock options and he's not really working "shifts" but ends up working those sorts of hours to help make the company the next Alphabet so he will be a centi-millionaire or better. Paying a dog walker is pretty cheap if that's the case.
Or, maybe, he's earning a lot per hour and muc
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Perhaps his kid is working those long hours not just to earn money but to, at least in his mind, to help build his career.
Good insight -- which was explicitly stated: "you work literally 6, 12 hour shifts in a week while you're trying to build your career. In exchange for that you might get a middle class wage 10 or 15 years down the line."
Re: Because people work 12 hours a day (Score:2)
If you don't have the time to care for it and be the dog parent it deserves, don't get a dog.
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Correct, don't *get* a dog.
However, oftentimes one has a dog, along with the time to care for it, and then life situations change (divorce, employer change) and help is needed.
Re-homing a dog could be worse than a shitty life, depending on the breed...
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So plan ahead what you'll do if life situations change? And don't get a dog if you can't do that? When people have a baby/toddler and life situations change, they don't just leave the kid locked in solitude for hours every day with someone stopping buy to change a diaper, and they don't rehome the kid either.
Obviously some people do: "On any given day, over 368,000 children are living in the U.S. foster care system [ccainstitute.org]."
Some people are better at planning than others, and it isn't feasible or even desirable to plan for every bad thing that could happen. And "don't get a dog if you can't do that" may mean the dog will just be killed. According to the ASPCA [aspca.org]: "Approximately 607,000 animals were euthanized in shelters in 2024"
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Oh holy shit. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Venture capitalists have to be some of the stupidest people in the history of humanity. But I guess they only have to score once. Jesus Christ.
Masayoshi Son, the CEO of Softbank, thought it was a great idea and invested about $300 million in it 7 years ago. At some point he sold his shares back and left, but I'm sure they were sold at a big loss. Most of Son's VC investments have been terrible and a lot are stunning in that exactly as you post, it makes you wonder why anybody would invest in that kind of company. A very small number of his investments were massively successful, probably just by random luck. A few are OK enough. Most are
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Oh holy shit. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
"From the people that brought you DrKoop.com, comes a new service for your dog..."
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Oh holy shit. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
It legitimately was a good idea. Objectively so, it was a perfectly profitable business. A lot of idiots keep pets as a status symbol, or do so without any thought as to the effort which goes into maintaining a healthy pet relationship. Paid dog walkers, pet sitters, and other animal services are a thing, as are friendly neighbours (I walked our neighbour's dog yesterday). It's an industry that predates an online booking system and will continue to exist beyond it.
What changed was COVID forced people to be
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The downtown dog owner types I know spend several hundred dollars a month on dog walking. Making a little web page to help match up dog walkers and clients seems like a pretty reasonable idea.
On demand rather than regularly scheduled, well, maybe. Hiring 2400 people to run your little web page, not so much. Spending half a billion dollars building your little web page, also not great.
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It might not be a billion dollar business, but if you run it lean I don't see why it couldn't be profitable. Also makes perfect sense to be a portal for veterinary services and insurance.
Dog puns (Score:2)
Re:Dog puns (Score:5, Funny)
Golden!
Re: Dog puns (Score:2)
Looks like Retriever will need to fur-get about getting their money back.
What value added? (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean - walking dogs. Takes person to actually walk them. How much value is any of the other overhead really adding. Just another bullshit business to pocket half the profits and underpay the actual worker.
Re:What value added? (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously. They should have called it Bitch.
Re:What value added? (Score:4, Insightful)
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You thought an AC was going to get a serious response despite most AC comments being trolling? YMBNH.
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I post AC to make it less likely that I'll waste time coming back to look for responses
But fart-sniffing is what Slashdot is all about!
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But it's so hard to trust your retiree living next door or the high schooler down the street (both of which could use some extra cash). I'd much rather go onto the internet and hire a complete stranger. This way I never have to engage in any sort of meaningful relationships. It's an introverts world these days.
This is why it's so hard to get a rescue dog these days, they want people who will *gasp* take care of the animal they adopt. The problem is that pets are so often acquired and kept as lifestyle pieces and the owners don't take care of them properly. If you get a dog that requires exercise, it's up to you to walk the bleeding thing.
Remember a dog is not just for Christmas, if sliced thinly enough there will be some left for sandwiches on Boxing day.
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Just another bullshit business to pocket half the profits and underpay the actual worker
Exactly this is the problem. Walk the dog for the neighbors once through Wag, then make your own (cheaper) deal (where the walker keeps more of the payment and the dog owner pays less) with the dog owner without Wag for all future walks.
How did Wag honestly think they would stay in business?
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I've never heard of Wag before, but I've seen TV commercials for dog walk
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Walk the dog for the neighbors once through Wag, then make your own (cheaper) deal
If you only walk one dog you're not doing much business and are probably not even remotely interested in negotiating deals.
How did Wag honestly think they would stay in business?
Why wouldn't they? They were perfectly profitable pre-COVID. What has changed isn't the business model, it's the underlying way people treat their pets. Why pay someone to walk the dog now when I'm home. Incidentally since I'm home I can walk the neighbours dog too. Could you predict that we would experience a global pandemic that would result in people staying home from work, ending up
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If you only walk one dog you're not doing much business and are probably not even remotely interested in negotiating deals
Wag takes 40% of the "per-walk" fee plus a $2.99 booking fee, so a dog walker could charge 20% less than Wag and still make more money per walk. There's nothing limiting you from taking on multiple dogs; Wag (or Rover) becomes your recruitment portal - you find customers through there, build a relationship through a couple of walks / overnights, then work directly with the customer rather than giving a 40% fee cut to the middleman. I don't see why anyone who wants to make money walking dogs would consistent
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Because before you manage to get many customers, they'll realize what's going on and ban you
How would they "realize what's going on?" I assume they have lots of 1-time users or users who stop using the platform after a small number of walks?
Why keep using Instacart instead of just using it to find customers who want grocery shopping and delivery, and having them pay you directly so you can charge less and make more? Why keep using Uber instead of giving people your phone number so they can call you when they want a ride?
It seems most Instacart users (at least around here) are the stores themselves, rather than individual customers. And the stores won't hire you directly, so that doesn't work. And Uber is a different beast too, because most rides are spur-of-the-moment and irregular, whereas dogs generally need walking every day and you can expect to go at a consistent time or
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Don't dog walkers often group together dogs from a similar area?
3 people paying $10/hour vs 1 paying $20 or some such.
I've never been a dog walker, but I've always assumed the people with lots of dogs at the dog park are.
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Re:What value added? (Score:5, Interesting)
I watch dogs (primarily overnight--most for 3-7 days but some 1 day and some >7d) via Rover. I make around $1500/month (pre-1099) and after their ~20% cut (of which most people give back to me in tips).
I WFH so the largely passive income is nice. I wouldn't have found as many people w/o a platform to do the heavy lifting for me in finding new dogs.
I am not advocating that we need to have these sorts of things in the market, but it does make for nice extra cash. YMMV.
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You could say that about literally any system that brings together any parties. Why do you need Uber? Just phone for a ride. Why do you need Doordash? Just call a restaurant. Websites are dime a dozen, why bother with Amazon, sell your own product. etc. etc.
Much of our modern commerce is created based on the convenience of instantly connecting a need to a service provider. That's all these guys did, and they are one of many such companies operating in many industries in the same way.
They replace Google and
Comoditized vs individual. (Score:2)
connecting you to someone who could walk your dog at the push of a button.
When it's about pets, like here (or kids, etc.) you don't want any rando.
You need somebody who your pet is used to because they walk them regularily (resp. you'd need somebody whom your kids have built trust with).
In this case calling somebody from your neighborhood or your extended family (for whom you don't need much intermediary beyond maybe a chat app or a neighborhood channel in a chat app) has actually added value compared to the "summon some rando on a button press" apps.
The somebody you know and who
Dial HURRY-UP (Score:3)
They also walk dogs.
As MJ said... (Score:2)
Another one bites the dust!
(woof)
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Wasn't that Queen [youtu.be]?
General Services (Score:5, Informative)
There's a short story by Robert Heinlein called We Also Walk Dogs [wikipedia.org] . The center of the story is a corporation called General Services, which started as a dog-walking service and then expanded to do anything anyone wants, for a fee (as long as it's legal, of course). The story implies that a lot of their income derives from rich people who have problems but are ballocks at solutions: due to a lack of imagination and a disinclination to solve their own problems. The top General Services agents have imagination, a vast knowledge of the available solutions, and an army of specialists available for hire.
And their slogan remains, "We Also Walk Dogs".
Would that work in the real world? I have no idea. Maybe there already are such organizations. A lot of corporations say they're selling solutions, but it often seems they cause more problems than they solve.
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And their slogan remains, "We Also Walk Dogs". Would that work in the real world?
Yes, it did work in the real world. Except the slogan is "We Also Sell Books".
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While there is certainly a parallel in the arcs of their growth, Amazon and General Services have fundamentally different business models. Amazon has become "we sell anything" while General Services was "we'll perform any (legal) service".
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I did not know that. Yes, that makes them look a lot more like General Services.
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Would that work in the real world? [snip] Maybe there already are such organizations.
It does work in the real world, and there are such organisations both as stand-alones and as divisions of premium airlines/hotels/etc. The industry term is "concierge service" - sort of an outsourced personal assistant to HNWs, and is not dissimilar to that which RAH describes.
I have no idea.
FTFY
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That's essentially what services like Mechanical Turk and Task Rabbit provide for upper middle class people. People who are legitimately wealthy have dedicated fixers and consiglieres they employ full time or keep on retainer.
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Lots of people and companies use fixers, local guides, handymen, personal assistants, concierges, etc.
Some people even still have butlers.
Meanwhile in the 40k universe (Score:3)
Orc-walking startup Waaagh files for bankruptcy.
Everything old is new again (Score:3)
The /. synopsis reads like every original dot com bubble bankruptcy (man I miss fuckedcompany dot com, great insight form the people who were there) statement.
"We grew too large too fast, but this restructuring will allow us to emerge stronger than ever!"
Less than a year later they were just another footnote in the every-growing pile of stupid/failed dot com companies.
tried using them once... (Score:2)
Setup an appointment, was away for the evening. They cancel on us..
Never used it again and told everyone they cancel on you for something you need to depend on.
I know why (Score:1)
Wives and Girlfriends? (Score:2)
Like with the women around footballers?
Hope it's dogs they're walking...
Dire liquidity crisis (Score:2)
Yeah... That's what happens the next day if you allow your dog to have some of your leftover curry.
The jokes write themselves (Score:2)
Turns out the only thing Wag was taking for a walk... was investor money.
They promised to fetch profits, but just ended up chasing their own tail.
The company rolled over and played dead—permanently.
They were barking up the wrong financial tree from day one.
They had a leash on success, but then it snapped.
Who knew a company based on poop bags and poodles wasn’t recession-proof?
Smartphones are social poison... (Score:2)
Ok, my title is half joking. But seriously? We've collectively gotten so used to just doing everything by pulling up some smartphone app, I think we've forgotten when it's a proverbial "sledgehammer to kill a fly".
Dog walking is a lot like babysitting. Used to just be a real basic job you'd pay a neighbor kid/teenager to do when you needed it. Cash payment direct to the person and nobody messed with things like taxes on it or some middle-man wanting a cut of the proceeds.
What next? Uber snow shoveling for y
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My local "neighbourhood" social medias are full of people asking for dog-walkers, and full of people advertising dog-walking services.
Surely if one is effective, the other shouldn't exist?
The industry you describe is inherently local, and that can make it tricky to find anyone willing to cover your particular location. Kids aren't going to bus three towns over just to walk your dog for minimum wage.
So an app does kind of make sense, in some way, to capture those larger orgs that do cover that area. Same w
How hard can it be? (Score:2)
If you don't know how to do it , Rufus Thomas [youtube.com] will show you how to walk the dog.