
ChatGPT Diminishes Idea Diversity in Brainstorming, Study Finds 52
A new study published in Nature Human Behaviour reveals that ChatGPT diminishes the diversity of ideas generated during brainstorming sessions. Researchers from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School found [PDF] that while generative AI tools may enhance individual creativity, they simultaneously reduce the collective diversity of novel content.
The investigation responds to previous research that examined ChatGPT's impact on creativity. Their findings align with separate research published in Science Advances suggesting AI-generated content tends toward homogeneity. This phenomenon mirrors what researchers call the "fourth grade slump in creativity," referencing earlier studies on how structured approaches can limit innovative thinking.
The investigation responds to previous research that examined ChatGPT's impact on creativity. Their findings align with separate research published in Science Advances suggesting AI-generated content tends toward homogeneity. This phenomenon mirrors what researchers call the "fourth grade slump in creativity," referencing earlier studies on how structured approaches can limit innovative thinking.
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I'm defending you
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I want to say "moron", because of your reflexively offensive reply... please don't just lash out.
Doing that repeatedly is how you get bad karma, as AC just pointed out [slashdot.org]. Makes sense I'm afraid.
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Re:No duh (Score:5, Insightful)
Does anyone else think that the /. owners look for certain words and auto downvote?
I think that most people recognize "diversity" as one of those keywords that's used for diverting attention from any valuable debate. The mods can see that saying something like "Diversity in general is not a good idea" is really basic flamebait and flamebait gets a -1 mod. I think you are ascribing far more development to Slashdot than we have evidence for. Think of Unicode development for example.
In this particular case, we're talking about "brainstorming". That's the specific part of concept development where you do actually benefit directly from diversity. Stupid ideas are supposed to be left in because they can have inspiration for different sensible ideas that wouldn't come up otherwise. Sort of like word association. You get rid of the stupid ideas in later stages of develpment like "analysis".
In other words, diversity in general is neither good nor bad. It's good when you talk about ideas during brainstorming. Its bad when you talk about the diversity of genetic variation of a virus in your body because it makes the virus more difficult to kill.
The original comment deserves the downvote, even though we can see from my comment how a bad flamebait comment can inspire an interesting good comment, just as a bad idea in brainstorming can inspire other good ones.
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ha ha, definitely a good point.
well reasoned comment, I don't disagree.
I stand by my question though. I've seen this several times, where I show up see a comment at 2, make a comment, then when I reload the page, often only seconds later, the first post is downvoted to oblivion... it happens so fast I suspect it's automated... and notwithstanding your unicode example, I still have my suspicions there is a program with it's finger on the scale.
Re: No duh (Score:2)
There is a better explanation. You make a comment and the cached page is updated to include it, which results in pending moderation being applied to the scores of other comments included in the page.
Re:No duh (Score:4, Informative)
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How does that happen? That's all I'm saying
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Let's put a diversity on hold for a minute.
Democracy is really bad idea, too. In a democracy two uneducated drunks have more to say that one university scholar.
Great and fair system, eh?
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Out a democracy, one uneducated drunk has more to say [than] two university scholars.
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Diversity in general is not a good idea.
How do you think our species survived this long? I'd say it's the best idea that evolution has ever invented. What's bad is mono-culture---long term survival (of societies, ideas, companies, species, portfolios, insurance, etc.) is pretty much impossible with the all-eggs-in-one-basket approach.
...it's all about exploration vs exploitation... if you don't explore you don't survive.
Re: No duh (Score:2)
You first, especially if you are concerned about signal to noise ratio.
Obvious, and supported argument (Score:4, Interesting)
Please don't make me dig out the reference, it's probably findable on the web, but for any pedantic cunts out there, I'll do it if required.
Re:Obvious, and supported argument (Score:5, Funny)
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Also, your comment was remarkably quickly moderated to +5
I smell something....
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Well I for one welcome our artificially intelligent upvoting overlords!
Re: Obvious, and supported argument (Score:2)
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In my experience, people stop thinking once a reasonable-sounding option is presented. If people get to ask chatGPT first, it's no wonder they converge on similar generic options, whether actually appropriate or not.
This idea of short-circuiting further reasoning upon detection of a minimally acceptable answer might be true. However, it doesn't have to be true. In fact, many truly creative people think outside the box and naturally question acceptable answers, leading to the creation of non-obvious and innovative answers. I imagine that these truly creative people would remain creative even with ChatGPT. I don't think this is a disadvantage that is inherent or specific to ChatGPT. For example, many non-creative or
Re: Obvious, and supported argument (Score:2)
I don't understand this headline (Score:1)
Is this a fancier way to say "people play dumber when chatgpt is around because asking a computer is so much easier than thinking for themselves"?
Re:I don't understand this headline (Score:4, Funny)
Approximately true.
There was this experiment ran years ago. Someone decided to test if "dogs are smarter than wolves", so they put a wolf in a room with a piece of meat on a string. The wolf jumped, climbed, whatever, got the meat. The dog would just sit there and look at the meat and at the researcher with wet eyes. So, the researcher wrote a paper "dogs dumb, wolves smart".
Then another boffin does the same experiment, but they had a larger lab, so they removed themselves from the room with the dog. Result: the dog jumps and climbs just like the wolf without the researcher, but looks cutely at the researcher when such is present, hoping to get the boffin cut down the meat, as humans tend to do when a dog looks at them cutely.
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but looks cutely at the researcher when such is present, hoping to get the boffin cut down the meat, as humans tend to do when a dog looks at them cutely.
That's almost as intelligent as cats, who clearly understand that you should never do anything when humans are present or else they will learn about your abilities and expect you to do things. Obviously the dog knows that the human might get upset if the dog eats^W gets caught eating the human's food.
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Perhaps not "smarter", but well adapted to the environment he live in.
I think manipulating other people to do things for you is one of the most basic human instincts.
So imho, the dog is trying to get the big dumb human to cut the string and feed him.
Very human-like.
Interesting post.
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Source is IIRC from "Inside of a Dog" by Alexandra Horowitz, a very interesting book on dog behavior.
Re:I don't understand this headline (Score:5, Funny)
Source is IIRC from "Inside of a Dog" by Alexandra Horowitz, a very interesting book on dog behavior.
I've heard the book is too dark to read.
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It has been a while since I read it, but I don't recall anything particularly "dark".
Re:I don't understand this headline (Score:4, Informative)
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
--- incorrectly attributed [quoteinvestigator.com] to Groucho Marx
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Sounds like a quote ChatGPT would happily generate and attribute to Groucho!
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I see, thanks.
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Good joke and moderated Funny as it deserves, but kind of masked under AC's vacuous Subject. Not sure what would have been a better Subject... Something about a "best friend", but that Subject would have worked better in the story about Zuck's AI friends...
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The wolf is also adapted to his environment. He is just not in his environment in the experimental setting.
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I've read
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The biggest disadvantage per the analysis of the second group was that wolves don't have the long relationship with humans, so they simply don't have the habit of "using" them and manipulating them that the dogs have.
So, not a question of "smartness", but an outcome of a different skill set due to different lifestyle.
The great equaliser. (Score:4, Insightful)
In other words, ChatGPT makes idiots appear smarter, and discards more creative, intelligent ideas of the actually smarter people, so we end up with a more balanced curve but overall worse outcome.
Re:The great equaliser. (Score:4, Interesting)
So exactly what you say: it helps dummies with below average intelligence reach up the the average, and it weighs down people of above average intelligence, because they spend more effort to vet the outputs, and then likely reject (some of) the outputs.
It's a race to the middle.
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Re: The great equaliser. (Score:2)
I can't wait for all the AI tools to start injecting ads into responses and those ads getting into homeworks, scientific journals, meeting notes and more.
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I don't know... Is it REALLY that distopian? Get your popcorn, pal...
Human intelligence is a distributed network (Score:1)
Do they really? (Score:2)
... generative AI tools may enhance individual creativity ..."
I'd be surprised if they actually do that. I think it more likely that the result of a human-and-AI "collaboration" is more creative than the single-person output. But that same enhancement probably occurs when you evaluate human-only collaborations - that's why we have brainstorming sessions.
Also, there are longer-term effects to consider. Does habitual reliance on AI effectively weaken creative muscles? Given my experience with various kinds of labour-saving aids - both physical and intellectual - I'm fa
LLMs are not great at creativity (Score:3)
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That is hard to know, because the popular LLMs are quite heavily censored. They leave out ideas which they could come up, but aren't allowed to. There should be no limitations in the brainstorming, as the main point is to try to gather as many ideas as possible, even if they are impossible, as one idea can give a better idea to someone else.
And like the summary says, despite these limitations, AI is still better than individual. Perhaps if artificial limitations would be removed, it would be better than a g
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There are enough uncensored ones.
But have a look at how a LLM generates a text. The most straightforward method is completely deterministic, only choosing the most likely token. The variations come from different strategies to sample from the full (or truncated) probability distribution for the next token. If there is a strong bias toward a certain direction, it is more often sampled than other directions. And as a LLM does more than just text completion it doesn't break over choosing synonyms and similar,
Great! (Score:1)
LLM are not creative (Score:2)
Brainstorming with an LLM can be helpful if you're feeling stuck or have writer's block, but you only get *one* set of ideas. Yes, you can regenerate and get a few more ideas, but ultimately, there is a basically fixed set of ideas and you only get variations of them. LLMs pick up patterns. This means that even when the patterns are nothing like the training data, they are stuck near a certain set of patterns.
When you use them with your own creativity, that doesn't hurt. You provide the idea and the LLM fle
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