rsilvergun's really not getting his $ worth out of this account. Do better.

Well yeah. And? We framed the summary to fit what we wanted people to believe, regardless of what the reference that nobody's going to check says.

Propaganda 101.

This is just self-indulgent doomerism.

Your narcissism requires that you see The End Times(tm) in everything so I get it, you can't just shrug and move on. Our g'g'g'etc parents back several thousand years:
1) watched significant numbers of their children die before adolescence; women would get pregnant and recognize that every single birth was a 1-1.5% chance she dies, often in agony.
2) were born to an average life expectancy of 20-35 years.
3) unless they were 0.1%ers likely couldn't read nor ever hope to be educated, or go more than 10km from home (unless they were captured/enslaved/relocated at the whim of whoever owned them)
4) mostly were serfs, slaves, other menial drudge classes, bound to work like slaves through all the daylight hours of their lives just to (hope to) survive...maybe?
5) lived in constant fear imminent infection, disease, pestilence, and/or war.

And yet they still had families, loved each other, struggled together, and kept on keeping on.

Now?
1) the biggest danger to a conceived child is a liberal woman who sees it as an inconvenience. Of course, even more recently we discover that a terrifying % of 'modern women' feel they can justify disposing of kids themselves even after birth if they're inconvenient or "sad".
2) the developed west children born today live rather more than DOUBLE that, a goodly chunk of those years basically at leisure given ample social networks (& even in the US despite constant weeping that US SS would be gone for the last 50ish years...).
3) in the developed world are what, 99% literate, have (through easy internet) access to all the knowledge of humanity at their fingertips, can live pretty nearly wherever they want, travel where they want
4) are largely free people who get to choose their lives, their partners, their lifestyle at their whim
5) have essentially no fear of imminent infection, disease, pestilence, and/or war.

The latter group have managed to generate abject, paralyzing levels of terror ("I can't bring a child into this world!") over "the sea might rise a handful of inches over the next century" or "I might have to go work in an office instead of sitting at home in my jammies" or "all this cheap food is making me fat" or if that's not enough invented crap to be afraid of, projecting anxiety on behalf of people you have never met, never will meet, nor will ever in your life have anything to do with. (Tell me honestly how many Americans could have pointed to the Donbas on a map in 2008, or even identified what a Rohingya was in 2015?)

I understand your panty-wetting terror and anxiety is very en courant. It's also not very rational, so... on-brand for the times, I guess.

Congratulations, you have created an exact MS Teams exact replacement.

I'm been using chat/messaging apps since BBSing and AIM and I'm not sure I could deliberately design a less useful piece of junk than Team if I tried.

Census by the founders includes *every person* not just citizens. Disagree with the founding fathers on that one eh? Also there is an easy thing to do with people who are illegal, just make them legal. Reagan knew there isnt a practical alternative and now a new generation will have to learn that.

Nope....I liked Reagan a LOT, but he fucked up really badly on that one thing allowing an amnesty....caused a rush on the border...Hey everyone isn't perfect and he fucked that one.

Fuck legalizing them....send them all back and try to come in the legal way. I'm not against streamlining and reforming our immigration system to legally come here, but even with that we should be choosy about who we let in, only those that will benefit the US and show they will be likely to meld into the melting pot and become US citizens.

We need to set up system around work that will pretty much lock out ANY person here that is not here legally....I hate the thought of a national ID, but if something similar to it had to be in place to root out all the illegals, make it impossible to work and live here, I'd be for it.

And maybe we need to amend the constitution and ONLY count citizens and ONLY allow most things for citizens....let's make it as unattractive and difficult as possible for illegal immigrants.

Three we are going to see a bump in immigration to the US as the Republican's have made immigration enforcement a total disaster...

Disaster?

I hardly think so....they have gotten the PR wrong in many cases, but I and lots of folks appreciate the efforts and accomplishments so far.

The main problem is, we're not rounding up and deporting illegals fast enough in large enough numbers.

But progress is progress and we're already starting to see some change in good numbers.

One nice side effect will be, hopefully, if we can deport enough NON citizens, they won't be counted in the next census and the reapportionment of house seats to more represent actual CITIZENS in states will come about....

Open up more housing to citizens with illegals gone out of places....and take huge fiscal burden off our government services (education, medical, etc)....with them off the roles being a burden.

You can suggest that, but you are saying "give up your close ties to family/friends/social life", and "move further from your job, or find a new one". Obviously if they really want kids they will make it work, but it's the ones who would like them but are not willing to give up so much of their lives, and limit themselves to one or zero.

Im saying exactly that....if need be, you MOVE to where life is better in general.

Grow up, be an adult make adult decisions.

When exactly did people start being such pussies and afraid to move out on their own...? This wasn't so unusual only a few decades back.

Hell in pioneer days....married couples would load up the wagon and head west often to never see family again.....

That's a bit extreme but is shows mankind often moves to where it is best to live.....when did people get so afraid to leave mommy and daddy? Can people not make friends in new places?

People act like it's a big deal.

Ever since I went out of state to college...I've almost never lived back in my home city or state....it's been great and no downside whatsoever....

I don't see what the big fucking problem ius with kids today.

I have a VERY tight loving family I grew up with, parents, cousins....I still have lifelong friends there and along the way in all states I've lived in.

Moving doesn't mean the end of relationships, just changes....

From observation and what I read...it seems that largely, at least in the US....it is liberal women/couples choosing to NOT have kids the most and birth rates amoung conservatives are rising in some cases....

Good deal that means over time...the liberals will self select themselves out of society....win win.

1) yeah probably but I wouldn't pretend that I'm presenting objective facts, either.
2) the facts don't back me up?
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2Farti...
"USAID Is Not Worth Blindly Defending
Trump and Muskâ(TM)s war against the agency should be opposed on principle. But we canâ(TM)t overlook that USAID has been a destructive arm of American imperialism for decades."
See also: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heritage.org%2Fprogr...
The Biden admin (treated) "...U.S. foreign aid apparatus as a global platform from which to implement overseas a rigidly ideological and domestically divisive agenda to promote abortion, climate action,
âoegender equity,â and âoeracial justice,â"
(https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.congress.gov%2F118%2Fmeeting%2Fhouse%2F116508%2Fdocuments%2FHHRG-118-GO06-20231025-SD004.pdf)
I *fully* agree that Congress SHOULD have destroyed it. This congress has spent most of its time politically wanking and getting little actually done. And yes, I agree that DOGE was largely a failure. Its only successes were killing USAID and driving 250,000 gov't employees off the books. Only about a million more to go.
3) personally, I think the shitheel Republicans in Washington are only slightly less toxic than the Dems. Both their houses are deeply corrupt and have little or nothing to do with their nominal constituencies outside the beltway. I'm convinced that NEITHER party insiders will allow any 3rd party candidate to survive, and will cheerfully collude with their "opposition" to prevent anyone else from stepping up.

Trump is a COLOSSAL narcissist asshole. Then again, he is despised by the insiders of BOTH parties, and I expect at this point only a wealthy narcissist asshole could possibly make it through their gatekeeping to actually be president anymore. I believe that's a large portion of why every demographic (save white women, lol) shifted rightward in 2026.
But like the Jesse Ventura experiment in MN, it turns out that 'outsider colossal narcissist' doesn't magically turn into a competent leader either if he finally does win. He just stays a narcissist and legislates for himself.

In the end, I'd rather have an incompetent boob in charge that the 4th estate actually scrutinizes, than a Biden/Clinton/Obama figure that is just as deeply corrupt, vastly smarter, and has a servile media cheefully licking his balls.

Really though, children are a huge commitment that, when done properly, requires you basically remake your life around what is best for a stable family unit for the next 20 years and really, once you have a kid, you'll always be a parent.

Err....well, that's been the common, well known NORMAL way of humans since the beginning till about...well, maybe 10-15 years ago when people went off the rails and norms went down the drain?

I mean, no one questioned this at all in all of humanity till just recently......

I think more than anything this is due to toxic feminism which has been fermenting to a head in recent years.....woman are going against what nature tells them and we have society backing that up.

But I get surprised to hear people today stating what you just did sounding like it is a foreign concept someone is newly trying to push on society?

burn down institutions that actually work; they are too stupid to understand how they work.

Khrushchev would love that our government is full of people who disagree with the principle of Chesterton's Fence. It's appalling that "conservatives" have become so far to the left of "The Left."

Vote conservative: vote Democrat.

it's hard to say if the Republicans will continue to lean into anti-immigration as hard as Trump did.

God I hope so.....we still have a LONG way to go to get rid of all the illegals that are currently here and need to go....

It's going to need a bit more than cheaper baby supplies. For example, a lot of people can't afford to buy a family sized home.

Suggestion to them...MOVE out of the fucking urban city areas....don't live in NYC....

The US is HUGE and there are tons of places with great jobs, MUCH lower costs of living and your housing dollar goes much further.....less crime, better education, etc.

There is plenty of good housing in you're willing to move out of the areas where it sucks.

Oh when I had an apartment there was no extra room to give someone. And 2 bed where I live now is $3700/month, which is more than my remaining mortgage.

GFC...where the fuck do you live where a 2 bedroom apt is $3700/mo?

I rent a 3 bedroom HOUSE for faaar less than that a month....

And those places with cheap rents have no jobs.

And no culture.

That's fine if you stay indoors all the time and are retired or can work from home...

That is absolutely NOT true.

The US is a very large country and there is SO much more to it than just NYC and LA....life and culture is not only at the extreme coasts.

There are plenty of jobs....GOOD paying jobs for areas with much lower costs of living....people are actually friendlier and easier to meet and make new friends with outside of those urban hell holes you seem to promote.

You could not drag me or pay me enough to live in NYC or CHicago or Los Angeles .....hell not even Houston.

Do you even live in the US?? For some reason I keep thinking you do not....and if not, you really don't know of what you speak.

There is a large breadth of cultures across the US and it's easy to find one that fits you and your lifestyle...especially if you want to have a family and raise them with proper values and education. You don't have to make $500K/yr to have a nice house, and all with very comfy living outside of the big urban cities.....especially when you outgrow clubbing every night, etc.