When the other side does not understand a topic or concept, your solution is?
Explain it. Especially don't give reading assignments that don't actually address what you're talking about.
Apparently not given the constant misunderstanding of what puts different individuals in different segments.
That's the problem. I DO understand. You haven't tweaked me properly apparently to make me state it. Your explanation of segments is very lacking.
I mean, this all started with me merely disagreeing that gas stations are a 1:1 swap, and I think even you've come to the conclusion that that's correct. I'd never dispute that a lot of gas station locations would be good EV charging locations as well.
Consider that I've stated a number of differences that I see for market segmentation - there's all sorts of different models possible with charging that wasn't possible, or at least practical, with gasoline.
Nope, I said "The wiring may be for lighting". At one apartment complex that I lived at we have covered parking for the spaces reserved for a particular apartment. These had some lights. And an occasional 120V outlet you could reach with an extension cord. If these had been lights only then perhaps a lighter weight wiring for lamps could have been used, but given the 120V 15A standard outlets its a pretty safe bet 14AWG was used. Or 12AWG if they were worried too many people might be plugging something in at the same time, or if the run was long. Not sure were the electrical box for the cover was.
It's nearly 100% certain it's 12 gauge wiring on a 20A circuit.
The presence of 15A outlets doesn't actually mean much, all 15A convenience outlets are actually rated for 20A as well.
I can never say it never happens, because, well, my brother's an electrician and the stuff he regularly finds...
There is 240V line after the breaker box. Which is where a charger would appear. And the ability to wire up a new 240V circuit at the breaker box depends on what service ran into you condo/apartment/etc.
Any condo or apartment would normally be better off running a circuit from basically the service entrance, not individual apartments. Now, "Apartments" covers a lot, from the converted house I once lived in for a bit, to skyscrapers, to even almost converted hotels with parking out front.
Yes, and in my old apartment parking with lights and 15A outlets there is a single hot. So you can't just put in a new double pole 30A breaker in the box.
Well, there you'd obviously want to pull new wire, but that isn't actually normally all that big of a deal. If you want multiple charging spots, which you probably should for an apartment, it becomes a bigger deal, but it also becomes a question of attracting tenants at some point.
That said, I think you've misunderstood something from your own link. "Innovators" and "Early Adopters" add up to 16% of the market. We're currently at ~7.4% of new cars sold being EVs, of cars on the road, only 1.4% are EV. So we're very much still in the "early adopter" stage, though the percentages can easily vary. I think that my estimates will hold well into "Early Majority", depending on how you look at it, with the number of EVs sold hitting 50%, or cars on the road reaching 50% roughly a decade after that.
If EVs want to continue taking over from ICE, of course infrastructure will need to expand to support them, from charging points to the very grid. AI is currently stressing the grid more, crazily enough, and EVs represent a massive opportunity for load shifting, so the naysayers saying the grid can't handle the extra load are very mistaken, but more generation will be needed, and if it ends up being mostly solar, it could become more beneficial to charge during the day, on average, which means encouraging work centers to install chargers.
Seen them, NeoCharge. New wiring is often a better option, more amps, faster charge. Still, way better than 120V.
Remember how we were talking about different market segments needing different solutions, different price points and such? It's an option, especially where somebody doesn't need the extra amps, like a limited commute, retiree, and such, and where either the service or wiring would be prohibitive.
Remember, circumstances vary. Folks with a garage and with a 240V dryer outlet might be in the early majority segment that follows the early adopters.
And what do you think I was talking about? You finally said what I was trying to get at - the laggards are, besides those just too conservative to change (like my mom still having a home phone), the ones who are going to have the most complex and expensive times switching. The late majority can be those where it's just a touch more complex and therefore expensive, needing some technology development to be truly superior to ICE. The apartment dwellers and such. But we have some adoption even in the early innovation zone, seeing chargers installed at some buildings. It'll spread.
