What are you most interested in seeing out of CES?
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Something Truly Innovative (Score:5, Insightful)
Anything where the designers have cared more about making something amazing than making a ton of money. Maybe I'm old and jaded now, but it seems like CES is a sea of manufacturers trying to do the same thing as someone else but with a minor change or cheaper or whatever.
Rock my world. Please!
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Re:Something Truly Innovative (Score:5, Insightful)
"Anything where the designers have cared more about making something amazing than making a ton of money".
Unfortunately, in our particular system those who care about making something amazing tend to go bankrupt or, at best, be acquired. Whereas those who consciously and deliberately set out to make a ton of money - by any and all means, and without caring how - often wind up running giant corporations.
This isn't just a casual complaint. I have observed the software industry professionally for about 30 years, and earned a living by writing about software vendors and their ways for over 10 years. I couldn't count the wonderful creative, innovative, dedicated companies founded and staffed by really, really smart people that I saw appear, flourish briefly, and then wink out. Meanwhile people like Bill Gates and Larry Ellison steadily built up immense fortunes by making absolutely sure that everything their corporations did was directly geared to support continuous long-term profit growth. They may have done some good things along the way, but that was purely coincidental.
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That was very well said. Wish I could mod you up.
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Thanks, lazarus. My comment was heartfelt and I deeply believe that it is correct. As they say, "you get what you measure"; or, perhaps more accurately, "you get what you reward". Earning profit is rewarded and respected; making creative or technical breakthroughs is not, except sporadically in places such as /.
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And yet, many of those people who ditched college to make money, even if they succeed at that, are jealous of people who earned degrees, especially if the degree is a PhD. They feel they too are smart and talented enough to earn a PhD. After all, they earned huge piles of money. But they seem to prefer to stay bitter and jealous about it rather than take the time to put their notion to the test and try to get an advanced degree themselves. They rationalize that it's all "academic" and a waste of time an
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...And they all have stories of the "dumbass" PhD, that often turns out to be unfair. Like, maybe that this guy with a PhD couldn't find his car keys one time, and he was holding them in his hand the whole time. One little mistake like that is good enough for them to crap all over everything he's ever done, his alma mater, and the entire college education system... ...position Henry Ford was in when Hitler sent him a medal for all the Jew bashing he did.
Dude, how long have you been smarting over that car keys incident? Did someone yell "NEEERRRRRDDDD!!!" and stuff you in a locker?
And how in the world did you manage to connect the dots from making fun of PhD's to Nazi sympathizers? Bravo.
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Wanting to make a ton of money is necessary, but of course not sufficient.
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But tombstones are also persistent. And landmines, Chernobyl and Fukishima. And of course Rick Astley.
So, there is more to life than just persistence.
Still, I happened to watch tonight an example of persistence from someone who is a true great in their field. Ian Anderson - Thick As A Brick, Live In Iceland. At age 67 he sounds identical to the 40-year-younger man I heard (in Stand Up) when I was a child. If he
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Very true. I've been following the behaviours of big technology companies for the last 20 years, just out of personal interest, and the amount of startups MS alone has killed out of fear that they would grow big is just enormous.
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...Meanwhile people like Bill Gates and Larry Ellison steadily built up immense fortunes by making absolutely sure that everything their corporations did was directly geared to support continuous long-term profit growth. They may have done some good things along the way, but that was purely coincidental.
I take exception to that, and really, it limits your own perspective to make absolute statements like that, when they're pretty obviously not true. Bill Gates was definitely interested in transforming computing. You can criticize his methods, but his company advanced the commoditization of computers immensely, to the great advantage of the world. Could you have done better?
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Bill Gates was definitely interested in transforming computing. You can criticize his methods, but his company advanced the commoditization of computers immensely, to the great advantage of the world. Could you have done better?
Gates has made much more of a positive contribution to technology than Jobs. Having had to deal with the inrush of his products may have kept me busy (Yes I am not 25 anymore either) but he played a major part in the ubiquity of IT nowadays.
Also Gates comes from actually "doing" technology. He coded, Jobs did not. Steve Jobs, as has been said here, was a salesman. He was also a disigner of cool looking stuff. It was his attitudes that made Apple devices the thing that wannabe beautiful people lusted a
Re:Something Truly Innovative (Score:4, Informative)
Jobs was truly innovative - but he thought in terms of applications, not basic technology. It's true that he didn't make any original technical inventions (AFAIK), but he was brilliant at finding attractive ways to market what others had invented.
That sort of creativity is extremely valuable, but it is slightly different from what I think we were discussing. To put it very simply, someone like Jobs could not succeed unless other people (mostly unsung heroes of technology) had previously done the spadework. On the other hand, their work would not have been nearly as fruitful without Jobs' clever marketing touch.
To my way of thinking, he could be compared (in a sense) with a brilliant Web site designer who produces a wonderful interactive site using the standard ingredients of HTML, CSS, scripting, etc. Everyone has access to the same palette of technology, but most designers do routine uninspired work, while some make a dreadful mess. And a select few have the talent to leave out whatever isn't essential, thus creating a work of art.
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Jobs had the vision and used that vision to drive the creative minds around him. All too often the brains build things just to build them with no idea about anything else. Jobs could not have done it without people like Wozniak.
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" At the core, sales & marketing are just con artistry".
When I was a bit younger - I'm really old and creaky now - I might have said exactly that. And I still feel that way, a lot of the time.
The thing is though, even if those skills are just con artistry, maybe they are necessary or even indispensable. In a perfect world, as Dr Sheldon Cooper might see it, everything would be decided by pure facts and logic. Everyone would have perfect information, and would instantly see all the consequences and ramif
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Who had a better product in 1980, Woz or Osborne?
Probably Osborne.
Who still had a company in 1985?
Woz, because he had Steve Jobs sitting around telling him what a) actual human beings who are not super-genius electrical engineers needed/would pay money for, and b) understanding how to move the units of the current line while still talking about how great the next line would be.
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Very true.
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Mac OS, OS X, imac, iphone, ipod etc were all created under Jobs. Let's see what innovation Apple comes up without him.
I don't think there were any commercial, easy-to-use GUI operating systems before MacOS. You only had unix or DOS.
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Mac OS, OS X, imac, iphone, ipod etc were all created under Jobs...
Are you saying that people working for Jobs created BSD for example? Not True.
Again, he did not create anything other than ways to use things that other people had.
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I think this is a side effect of the information age. Where we know about everything long before it ever becomes available. It makes things look like there are only tiny improvements on previous concepts. The missing point is that it has always been incremental improvements. Before it was always concentrated to a specific area and you may not ever hear of it until several iterations past. Instead of getting something 10x better every 20 years we get something 2x better every 3-4. We still come out ahe
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Long Distance Teleporters?
As opposed to our current limited short-range teleporters?
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That is an ancient technology called walking.
Autonomous vehicles (Score:2)
Autonomous vehicles, though I don't actually expect any at CES. What I want to know is "When can I buy one?" and that seems to be years out still. The rest is a mix of "I already got it, but incremental updates are nice" like cell phones, laptops and whatnot or "I don't really care anyway" like IoT and VR.
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Part time autonomous vehicles are here today. Full time autonomous vehicles restricted to specific roads; years away. Full time autonomous vehicles that can drive anywhere; decades away. The last is the hardest as it requires AI that we don't understand yet.
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I would think that you're particular view is short sighted. The issue for me is one of critical mass. Novelty increments until critical mass hits and it becomes quite easy to replicate.
Take Tablets for example, I remember the Newton, way ahead of its time. It took a decade for technology to catch up, and iterations of various version from Windows to Palm before Apple grew the iPod Touch into the iPad and bam critical mass. The thing is, nobody is remembering all the iterations between Newton and iPad that w
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Take Tablets for example, I remember the Newton,
Tablets do not require AI to operate. Currently the Google car can only be driven on roads that have been pre-scanned and gone over by a person who can apply the intelligence to differentiate the different static objects on the road. For example, traffic signals have to be marked so that the car can figure out which one to check depending on what the car needs to do. This lack of sufficient AI is a big gap that has been worked on for decades and there is no quick fix. It is a technology issue not a critical
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AI and Autonomy are two (very) different goals. Autonomy is very feasable in the next ~10 years. AI is not. Luckily, AI is not a prerequisite to autonomy.
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It takes AI to understand what is seen and to figure out what to do is the many complex situations. Traffic lights are pretty complex as different lights may be important to you depending on what you are doing. Have you ever looked down the street in a city and counted the number of traffic lights you can actually see? Which ones actually control the intersection you are in? It takes at least primitive AI to do that. Currently, this is done by someone going over a pre-scanned route and designating which lig
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I worked for a company writing software for the majour car manufactors. No idea where you have your infos regarding the google car from, but we neither did any AI nor do we need any pre scanning of roads. However we did not work on automatic cars but only on driver assistance via lane detection, sign detection etc. And for all that you don't need any AI or pre scanning ... how should that even work in case of a newly put up sign or traffic light?
Sorry, I don't want to contradict your claim about googles app
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Take a look t this article [technologyreview.com].
Google often leaves the impression that, as a Google executive once wrote, the cars can “drive anywhere a car can legally drive.” However, that’s true only if intricate preparations have been made beforehand, with the car’s exact route, including driveways, extensively mapped. Data from multiple passes by a special sensor vehicle must later be pored over, meter by meter, by both computers and humans. It’s vastly more effort than what’s needed for Google Maps.
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Interesting. Thanx.
Strange that the google car seems not to be able to detect pedestrians reliable (police officer waving was an example in the link)
Anyway, AFAIK all german and japanese automatic cars simply rely on a stereo camera ... no special "preparation" involved.
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Anyway, AFAIK all german and japanese automatic cars simply rely on a stereo camera ... no special "preparation" involved.
I doubt that immensely. Considering the Google car relies on many different sensors I doubt that a stereo camera is even close to enough information. Listen at the 20 second mark in this video [engadget.com]. They mention cameras, laser guidance and radar. Also notice that they only work on highways without crossing streets and traffic control. This is a part time autonomous vehicle.
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Strange that the google car seems not to be able to detect pedestrians reliable (police officer waving was an example in the link)
When an autonomous car fails to obey a police officer waving it to the side or waving it on, that's the day when autonomous cars start dying.
I expect the first police protests to be there within days, and the first fatal shooting of people in an autonomous car to be within weeks.
But the final nail in the coffin will be when a senator is stuck in traffic and misses an important flight or meeting, and discover that the reason was an autonomous car that stopped for a shoe[*] and refused to drive over it or cro
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Strange that the google car seems not to be able to detect pedestrians reliable(police officer waving was an example in the link)
The Google car can detect pedestrians reliably but it just sees them as blocks of moving pixels. What it can not do is differentiate a police officer from a civilian and understand what the pedestrian means by the waving hand.
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Laser and Radar is used to detect other cars, not to follow a road or avoid pedestrians.
The software I was involved in works everywhere, parking places, in cities on highways etc. ...
But as I mentioned before, that particular software is only a driver assist, like automatic breaking, distance control to the car in front of you, avoiding to hit pedestrians and lane following as well as sign detection
They only work on high ways right now, but want to expand that soon to other roads.
Re: Autonomous vehicles (Score:2)
For autonomy to be relatively safe, it needs to use a LOT of advanced AI, mostly in the form of stored heuristics, but also dynamic processing. Otherwise it wont be much more than a glorified gps with cruise control. For some things, like spotting visual patterns and noticing odd things out of the ordinary humans are a lot faster , better and more accurate than computers. What will the computer do when exposed to other drivers breaking the rules? What will it do in an emergency when it has to chose between
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Could happen this year.
It could also take decades. I would like to see actual references to these "major advances". "Starting to understand" if far from understanding to the extent that it is usable. We have been starting to understand neural nets for decades.
The problem with driverless vehicles is that they have to handle 100% of the situations on the road. That requires pretty strong AI. It is pretty easy not to crash. If the car gets into a situation that it can not handle it just attempts to pull off the road or in worst cas
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http://www.kurzweilai.net/robo... [kurzweilai.net]
http://www.kurzweilai.net/deep... [kurzweilai.net]
Also, you are using the wrong nomenclature there. "Strong AI" is human level intellect that is turned toward self improvement. Driving could be done by an insect equivalent with a couple of more advanced modules. The second link provided indicates that any future AI will be able to recognize policemen and other humans directing traffic.
Re: Autonomous vehicles (Score:2)
So they think. I would challenge them to try and interpret hand signals in the philippines. They are visually almost impossible to figure out, due to poor semaphore design. Come here signal is given by slight movement of wrist up nd down, with hand held horizontal., with arm extended towards the becked. Pretty much an invisible gesture . Need also to look at cops face, or just try to follow flow of other traffic.
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And I definitely DO want them in life/death situations, IFF they produce better outcomes statistically, which is the only way they would ever be put in charge to start with.
Re: Autonomous vehicles (Score:2)
Autonomous Vehicles Drive By Every Day (Score:3)
Ok, I do live a couple of miles from the Googleplex; YMMV. But the things drive by my block all the time :-)
I doubt I'll ever buy one, but I'll be very interested to see when Google thinks it's time for their robocars to compete with Uber, or in general, for Transportation As A Service to supplant individually owned cars for day-to-day transportation needs.
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How about a system that safely works in fair weather and then shuts down for manual driving when it can't cope like in the brutal conditions you described. For many of us, that will cover 98+% of the driving. I can suck it up for the 1-2% if needed. And really, no one should be on the road if the conditions are near what you described.
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Re: Autonomous vehicles (Score:2)
That is a horrible idea. So now you are in a blizzad, and the car hands the reins of a human driver that barely have touched the manual controls since he got his drivers license.
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You should read slashdot.
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Count me in the same camp. Phones and tablets have reached a saturation point. Watches, it will be Apple's Watch for a bit until Samsung or LG comes out with something really top notch.
Self-driving cars are critical... but they are still far out (as stated above.)
VR tech has been a toy for decades. Nothing at CES is going to change that and turn it into a useful day to day tool for mainstream applications.
IoT stuff scares me, because I am pretty sure that it will be made cheaply, by the lowest bidding Ch
Re: Autonomous vehicles (Score:2)
Intel x520 fulfills #4, it does fcoe/DCB and is available as a LOM module for Romly based systems as well as an add-on card. It will do either DA/sfp+ or 10gb-t depending on the phy used.
Re:Autonomous vehicles (Score:4, Insightful)
Internets of Things (Score:2)
I think this is where the more novel stuff is likely to happen. Maybe someone will display a usable version of OpenHAB, or figure out how to skin a home automation app well (hint: everything I've seen so far sucks out loud.)
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Check OpenHAB, which allows you to build the automation system on open source code, and doesn't require "the cloud". (I'm using Vera, which is a more mature and stable alternative. Vere doesn't require the cloud, which is great; but while it's built on top of OpenWRT, it's not an actual open source code product.)
But the bank breakers come in the form of the devices. I've bought various Z-wave switches at prices ranging from $10 to $100, with the bulk of them costing about $40 a device these days. At thi
Internet killed the Trade Show star (Score:3)
Actually, Samsung and LG killed the trade show star. They're so hell bent on one-upping each other, they barely dream of something before shoveling it into the marketplace. C'mon, two Note 4's?
So anyway, these trade shows are little more than a bunch of products they're not going to manufacture, plus a few products that they are. But none of them are new, cuz you've already read about them, long ago, probably right here on Slashdot.
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But none of them are new, cuz you've already read about them, long ago, probably right here on Slashdot.
Thank you! I've come for the comments to figure out why most of the respondents did not care about CES and you nailed it.
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To me CES is to showcase those things which I could only hear about on places like /. It is the "Pictures or it didn't happen" event. I want to see it in action, before I'll believe it is anything more than a wet dream.
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Spot on. Consumer trade shows don't really have much to offer in today's world.
Don't Care (Score:3, Interesting)
I've been to CES each year for the past several years, this is the first year in a while I have not gone...
I have to say it's one of the things I least miss of anything I've done regularly.
Especially the last few years I felt like I was stuck in some kind of time loop, essentially everything being he same with slight changes. From afar, this year seems little different...
I honestly don't understand what anyone gets out of CES anymore. Not the people who attend, not the companies that present. All of it just seems like so much effort that could be individually far better spent by everyone there. Is anyone in the outside world even paying attention to what happens there? No more than they would any other corporate announcement, and probably less because so many of them are clustered in such a short timeframe.
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I honestly don't understand what anyone gets out of CES anymore. Not the people who attend, not the companies that present. All of it just seems like so much effort that could be individually far better spent by everyone there. Is anyone in the outside world even paying attention to what happens there? No more than they would any other corporate announcement, and probably less because so many of them are clustered in such a short timeframe.
I talked to my manager about it, he's been to CES five years in a row and never seen the showroom. The reason he goes is because of networking....it's a great place to meet a bunch of people all in one place. Sort of like NAMM for the computer world, I guess? Not much new in the piano world either, I guess.
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Networking is a reason people go, but even that could I think be better accomplished by going to more specialized trade shows.
It does explain a little why some people go, but again there's no way a company with even medium size booth makes up in "networking" the million+ dollars they spend on the space and booth and travel.
Re: Don't Care (Score:2)
Maybe it is for the tech bloggersand tech press. Gives writers a chance to get out f t0wn at employers expense.
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DILLINGER: "No problem, Master C. If you've seen one consumer electronics show, you've seen them all."
USB 3.1 (Score:3)
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Yet another Universal Serial Bus connector. At least it plugs in both ways.
<annoying geeky voice>erm, I think you'll find that's the Type-C cable [arstechnica.com], which can be used for many things including USB 3.1</annoying geeky voice>
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"Yet another Universal Serial Bus connector. At least it plugs in both ways."
which again is an idea stolen from apple's thunderbolt connector. and apple made thunderbolt because people were frustrated at trying to plug their devices in at night to charge them, alternatives like wireless power were too risky compared to a new connector that goes in without having to orient the cable which when tired/drunk is supposedly really hard.
What is CES? (Score:1)
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Maybe someone just made it up to see how many people would participate in a poll and try to bluff their way through sounding like they know what it means.
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p>Of course if you haven't heard of CES you probably haven't heard of Google either ...
Well if you've heard of Google then it doesn't matter whether you know anything about something once you have its name...
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Sure, we've all heard of googol, but you're spelling it wrong. We all know its 1.0 × 10^100. What does that have to do with anything?
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"Sure, we've all heard of googol, but you're spelling it wrong. We all know its 1.0 × 10^100."
And next up is a googolplex which is 10 to the power of googol
I don't know if there is a googolplexplex (10 to the power of googolplex) but it wouldn't even fit in the multiverse
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I don't know if there is a googolplexplex (10 to the power of googolplex)
Yes, and it actually was originally called a googolplexplex, but it has been reformed as "googolduplex", in order to standardise the next orders, googoltriplex, googolquadplex (10^10^10^googol, 10^10^10^10^googol, respectively) ... googol-n-plex.
Once you get above a googoldecaplex (ten repetitions of "plex"), you get into googol-10^n-plex notation. Once you get into googolmilliplex (googol-1000-plex), you get into googol-10^3n-plex notation. And so on. [Note googolmilliplex, googol-10^3-plex, is 10^10^10^10
The new Intel processor (Score:2)
And am likely to buy one for my new PC.
Not gonna hope the next Intel CPU won't get delayed and wait for it.
Showgirl boobies (Score:2, Funny)
Everything else is just a fad.
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Legs are nice, too.
it's all known in advance (Score:2)
With the web and bloggers and such, i feel like there are no great surprises yet. It's all stuff that is either 1) already know or 2) an iteration of existing tech. nothing revolutionary.
What else? (Score:1)
All the booth babes, of course.
Well-designed stuff (Score:3)
I want to see functional and well-designed stuff. Things that contain the capabilities that people like, those capabilities done right to modern specs and the absence of cruft.
Apple under Steve Jobs did manage to follow this ideal, except that they liked to lock people into their system and upgrade often. Lenovo has also followed this ideal, mostly.. except for their consumer space.
For instance, I am not interested in any Windows tablet without a stylus.
No curved TVs.
No laptop that requires you to open the lid to turn it on while it is "docked".
No "smart watches" that need to be recharged every eight hours, or every four hours after two years because the non-replaceable battery has degraded.
Please!
Slashing (Score:3)
High resolution monitors with wide aspect ratios (Score:1)
Would really love to see some high resolution / high DPI monitors with wide aspect ratios...
As someone who has been running a dual monitor setup since before LCD monitors became mainstream, I really like the idea of 21:9 aspect that LG has brought to market. But would love for it be wider (so it can replace a typical dual monitor setup), closer to 3:1 aspect ratio, and with a vertical resolution of no less than 2160 pixels... (so a screen like 6480 x 2160 would be really nice in a ~31" diagonal form factor)
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I agree with what you say, but I would like to add curved to that list of things to look for now that curved screens are coming.
While curved TVs are nothing more than a marketing ploy, having ultra-wide computer monitors be curved makes a lot of sense. I've never seen anyone use a two-monitor setup with both in the same plane - always at an angle to each other.
However, I have heard said that curved computer screens would be worse for graphics design/editing work. I don't know if that refers to them not bein
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wallpaper monitors.
I bet the refresh rate is terrible...
Something that surprises me. (Score:2)
Something new - a conceptually new type of device. Not a slightly thinner tv screen, or a slightly faster / bigger phone. Those evolutionary improvements don't warrant all that razzmatazz. Not a curved tv screen or bendy phone, neither of which add any value that I can see.
I think VR headsets are more exciting, trying the latest cutting edge models would be good - I'd love to try one of the laser-in-the-eye projection headsets (alarming as lasers in the eyes sounds, it surely ought to make a vivid image).
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It's gonna be about VR (Score:2)
Other (Score:3)
OK, here it goes, and EVERYONE has seen all this in film:
Hoverboards
Flying cars
Mr. Fusion
Self lacing shoes
Self drying clothes
Formfit clothes (ie one-size-fits-all with automatic seam adjustments and all)
Ten second dehydrated ready meals (fifteen?? Are you NUTS!?)
adjustable baseball bats
Fresnel binoculars (I've seen something similar but in a loupe not a distance ocular)
And of course, the Max Headroom shop tellers, using such glitterati avatars as Ayatollah Khomeini, Michael Jackson, Rappin' Ronnie Reagan, Qadaffi...
What'll we end up with? Another fucking season of Big Brother, more shite from Simon Cowell, more denials of inappropriate behaviour from Buckingham Palace (but we won't know what they're being accused of because any complaints made against the Royal Family are now a matter of national security!), and more false flag bullshit from the Western Governments to even further shit all over our rights as citizens while we get taxed to death
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OK, here it goes, and EVERYONE has seen all this in film:
Hoverboards Flying cars
Mr. Fusion
Self lacing shoes
Self drying clothes
Formfit clothes (ie one-size-fits-all with automatic seam adjustments and all)
Ten second dehydrated ready meals (fifteen?? Are you NUTS!?)
adjustable baseball bats
Fresnel binoculars (I've seen something similar but in a loupe not a distance ocular)
And of course, the Max Headroom shop tellers, using such glitterati avatars as Ayatollah Khomeini, Michael Jackson, Rappin' Ronnie Reagan, Qadaffi...
What'll we end up with? Another fucking season of Big Brother, more shite from Simon Cowell, more denials of inappropriate behaviour from Buckingham Palace (but we won't know what they're being accused of because any complaints made against the Royal Family are now a matter of national security!), and more false flag bullshit from the Western Governments to even further shit all over our rights as citizens while we get taxed to death
Good news! You can knock one of those items off your list. Nike's on it! [dezeen.com].
USB (Score:2)
USB 3.1 and type C plugs for it.
define acronyms you stupid git editors (Score:2)
Didn't know what CES was; oh that stupid consumer crap trade show in vegas that excites some of the marketing and sales wanks in places I've worked in the past....*yawn*
Better monitors (Score:2)
Well duh!! (Score:2)
The consumer isn't welcome at CES (Score:2)
I quit paying attention to the CES when they kicked out the consumer years ago.
Perpetual Motion Machine (Score:2)
I can't wait to laugh at the AuroraTek Perpetual Motion Machine [boingboing.net] that's supposed to be at CES this year.
Friggen lasers (Score:2)
Projectors with friggen lasers attached to their heads. LED based laser projectors are long overdue. Though a few exist none are worth the price. Scanning laser projectors should be one of the new up and coming display markets. The best part about this technology is that there are no lamps to replace, the imaging is theory should be better than all others, DLP chips will make a come back. The negative is that LCD manufactures will lose a lot of market share, lamp manufactures will lose a lot of market share
CPUs with the Three Laws built in (Score:2)
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