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Emphasis mine:

Voigt went on to author Unto Caesar, published in 1938, just after the Anschluss. Muggeridge called it "the most powerful and perceptive political work of our time." Though long out of print, this work is once again relevant. Voigt deconstructs Marxism like few others and charts the best kept secret on the Left: the similarities between Soviet Marxism and German National Socialism.

The notion that there is anything whatsoever conservative about National Socialism is among the sweetest lies of the modern discourse.

Conservatism (as I would define it) is about the maturing of the individual along moral, mental, and physical lines into an adult capable of adding to societal continuity.

Thus, any folly about life starting somewhere after conception; gender being something other than biologically assigned; form not following function for gender; and Judeo-Christian mores, would fall outside of my definition of "conservative".

Everyone is welcome to pretend otherwise about conservatism in the comments. Couldn't care less.

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  • You need to be more specific on what you mean by "Soviet Marxism". To most people the Soviet union begins with Stalin, though in reality Marxist Communism in Russia died with Lenin (for as much as it ever existed). Really the two movements were at odds with each other from the start, Stalin recognized the power vacuum that was to form after Lenin's passing and positioned himself to fill it and to subsequently discard Marxist ideals in favor of a fascist personality cult.

    Sound familiar? It should. Yo

    • Marxism died with Marx. The soviets delivered a bastard child.

      And to Mr. Smith,
      It bears repeating that conservatives are authoritarian and violent, lefties are anarchists, you don't hear from them

    • I meant to quote the text.

      I also mean to reject the false "Kingdom of God; hold the God" preached by the Marx Brothers from Hell, Karl; Vladmir, and Joseph.

      Your attempts to conflate Trump with any of these monsters is disgusting and rejected.

      • "Kingdom of God; hold the God"

        You've brought out that silly slogan before, and we've discussed how little it has to do with Marxism.

        Your attempts to conflate Trump with any of these monsters is disgusting and rejected.

        You can reject it by your feelings and desires, but there is more connecting him to the far-right leaders you are trying so hard to reject than there is connecting any other president in the history of our country to them. There is a reason why no president to date has ever had a personality cult of the magnitude that Trump has and has had, and it is not in any way a statement on him being even a margina

        • "Kingdom of God; hold the God"

          You've brought out that silly slogan before, and we've discussed how little it has to do with Marxism.

          It's Marxism distilled.

          There is a reason why no president to date has ever had a personality cult

          Nor does Trump. Indeed, the Lefty fetishing of Trump is closer to cultish than the general support Conservatives afford DJT. Witness, e.g. the DeSantis support. Valuing leaders is precisely that, no more. You may go on with your ritualistic denunciations.

          • "Kingdom of God; hold the God"

            You've brought out that silly slogan before, and we've discussed how little it has to do with Marxism.

            It's Marxism distilled.

            You say that like you believe it, but you don't say enough about it to actually discuss what you mean when you say it.

            There is a reason why no president to date has ever had a personality cult

            Nor does Trump

            Surely you jest. The publication and spin that goes out in his favor would make Ron Paul, Stalin, and even Pol Pot blush. Can you show me a president who has ever had supporters run around with their image on flags before? Can you show me a president who has ever had supporters keep lawn signs up years after the election has passed? Can you show me a president who has ever so openly em

            • It's Marxism distilled.

              You say that like you believe it

              We are soul, mind, and body. First Marxism kills the soul by replacing the Lord with an ersatz god, the State.

              Then the Orwellian propaganda "Your Team" peddles destroys the mind.

              All that remains is the enslaved flesh, nearly understanding that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" was never more than a demonic lie.

              • First Marxism kills the soul by replacing the Lord with an ersatz god, the State.

                You would realize you're wrong on that if you actually read in to what Marx actually wrote. Just because you and your teammates like to label everyone from outside your team as "godless commies" doesn't mean it's true.

                On top of that, your side has been providing itself with new idols to worship on a regular basis. Reagan was a god, then GWB was a god, now Trump is your god.

                Then the Orwellian propaganda "Your Team" peddles destroys the mind.

                That word salad exercise there has essentially no meaning.

                All that remains is the enslaved flesh, nearly understanding that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" was never more than a demonic lie.

                You are again allowing your partisan biases to drive your statements,

                • Reagan was a god, then GWB was a god, now Trump is your god.

                  I thought that your Scott Johnson hate was rooted in some interest in truth. These are false and blasphemous allegations. I forgive you in precisely the same vein as Christ forgave those who crucified Him.

                  Your strict "us vs them" mindset is leading you in to these absurdities by encouraging you to try to shoehorn billions of "them" into a single box.

                  After an entire comment in a purely binary, second-person mode, this punchline. May self-awareness locate us all.

                  • Reagan was a god, then GWB was a god, now Trump is your god.

                    These are false and blasphemous allegations.

                    You can try to claim that you personally do not worship Trump, but that doesn't change the fact that legions of your teammates unquestionably do. The devotion to him is far beyond any that came before. He isn't simply the "leader" of your party, he's the icon of your cult.

                    Your strict "us vs them" mindset is leading you in to these absurdities by encouraging you to try to shoehorn billions of "them" into a single box.

                    After an entire comment in a purely binary, second-person mode, this punchline.

                    Second-person mode was used to describe how your team works. It doesn't mean that everyone who I don't align with is on your team - and important distinction between our philosophies - it merely was an observation of how your team now

                    • You can try to claim that you personally do not worship Trump, but that doesn't change the fact that legions of your teammates unquestionably do.

                      I guess if you're such a degenerate as to call posting memes "worship", then you're not false. Just a partisan twit.

                      Second-person mode was used to describe how your team works. It doesn't mean that everyone who I don't align with is on your team - and important distinction between our philosophies - it merely was an observation of how your team now operates.

                      I laugh at the petulant bitterness you display. You know Zombie Joe is leading "Your Team" to a political Waterloo, and your wails are a bittersweet symphony.

                    • You can try to claim that you personally do not worship Trump, but that doesn't change the fact that legions of your teammates unquestionably do.

                      I guess if you're such a degenerate as to call posting memes "worship"

                      Don't be ridiculous. You know that you have friends and teammates who go many orders of magnitude beyond that in their dedication to Mr Trump. He doesn't lead a political party, he leads a cult. We've never before seen a party question so little of what their leader says and writes.

                    • He doesn't lead a political party, he leads a cult.

                      Were your hypothesis valid, one would expect Trump to be threatened by, and set about undercutting, DeSantis. Doesn't happen. Possibly the one with the demented view of the situation is you.

                    • He doesn't lead a political party, he leads a cult.

                      Were your hypothesis valid, one would expect Trump to be threatened by, and set about undercutting, DeSantis.

                      All Trump needs to do is keep reminding people he's alive, and he's doing a fine job of that. He's dumber than the shit that falls out of my rottweiler but his handlers keep reminding him he can wait for Desantis to implode later on. After all, Desantis is still making executive decisions and eventually something will turn against him. Trump is fortunate enough to be now completely insulated from any decision making beyond which elevator shoes to put on each day.

                    • No, no, Demigod Trump must be worshipped exclusively in order to feed his superhuman, orange ego. DeSantis is a foul interloper who must be vanquished.
                    • There is no reason for him to even expend energy on countering Desantis right now. He can just wait for him to step in it along the way and then his handlers will remind him how to rub it in his face later. Trump knows he is unquestionably the front runner for the 2024 endorsement. If Trump had a stroke tomorrow afternoon and lost control of half of his face and all his bodily functions below his sternum he'd still be the conservative hero.

  • Socialism is and was conservative. It was the libertarians who were considered liberal.

    What Russian Socialism and German Socialism were trying to conserve was a good life for high society- fuck everybody else. The only difference was their definition of who was elite enough to live, and who should starve.

    • Indeed, Bismarck invented the welfare state as a sop to the Marxists. Socialism is thus the price that Aristocracy "pays" for the right to keep bossing the peasants around.

  • When you consider that communists were their opposition, yes, National Socialists were definitely the right wing party. In fact, they were arguably the only real right wing party in Europe at the time.

    The Socialism part of National Socialism was necessary to counter the communist offer of a cradle to grave welfare state. Remember, the Weimer Republic was suffering massive inflation at the time, and if the National Socialists didn't offer some kind of relief to the citizenry, their electoral prospects would

    • The left/right bun fight comes into focus by focusing on the unit of analysis: individual vs. collective. Communists and National Socialists are clearly arguing the collective, not the individual.

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