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Comment Re:Environmentalists demand we only subsistence fa (Score 1) 103

You realize why this is frustrating right, because earlier you claimed "I do not, because most of such claims presuppose that the environment is static and pristine." in regards to those claims, now everything is much more nuanced...

Sorry, I don't see a contradiction in anything I said.

But we can't give that nuance to environmental groups or their issues of course

This is fair criticism. However, based on my subjective experience observing various environmentalism causes I am simply unwilling to extend such courtesy. I am not going to try to look for unstated meanings and alternative interpretations. I do try to resist categorically dismissing them as green-washing rent seekers, but that is the extend of my mental effort.

seem like a run-of-the-mill science denier.

Reputation destruction only works if your target cares what others think about them.

Comment Re:Environmentalists demand we only subsistence fa (Score 1) 103

So the cattle and steel industries do have deleterious environmental effects.

My view is that cattle has minimal deleterious environmental effects, none if they are pasture raised. Steel industry has minimal and it is acceptable considering how necessary steel is.

Car culture does have harmful effects on the environment and society.

Car culture does have harmful effects that are getting reduced with improved technology. Cars are necessary for a free society to exist. Without cars, government would have much bigger role and say in our lives.

Anthropomorphic climate change is a real phenomenon.

Yes it is, but effects of warming are not as dire and not as immediate as predicted. Also, climate change is a net of natural systems (Milankovitch cycles, etc.) and anthoropogenic, what percentage which is not settled science. It is also certainly not 100% anthropogenic.

If your argument is "we need environmental groups to have better marketing" then sure, I can agree with that.

No, we need environmental groups with better values. Human-centric. Capable of cost vs. benefit analysis.

Comment Re:Environmentalists demand we only subsistence fa (Score 1) 103

You can't do the same with vegetables nor grains and they aren't renewable resources.

Third, farming plants requires fertilizing them. That fertilizer either comes from oil or comes from the animal industry.

Also mining, like potash in Canada. Most people won't get your point unless you immediately connect food and fertilizer.

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