>"Eventually your car will learn Cartesian doubt. Especially if you argue with it trying to convince it not to explode."

Well, maybe it was a mistake, but I decided to try Wireless Android Auto on the Ariya today. Have never used it before. Seems to work, will have to play with it.

So, I guess, in a way, since the phone has AI stuff, and I connected it to the car, which does not, I have kinda sorta contaminated the car with AI now.

>"# You are false data"

I haven't had that type of response from the car. At least, not yet :)

Thankfully, it isn't contaminated with "AI".

>"Just had a quick peek. Are those capacitive "buttons" below the screen?"

Yes. Just the HVAC ones. I would prefer non-capacitive ones. However, they are still non-touchscreen, permanently-labeled, backlit, "physical" controls. They never move, disappear, or change function. They also have hepatic feedback.

I was wondering the same thing. Probably a hell of a lot more expensive and complicated. But I bet that is the direction this is going.

Suppressing the immune system "forever" is a very bad thing, probably as bad as diabetes.

>"What I find annoying is the inability to adjust the navigation while driving."

Mine I can control the NAV with voice commands, native. Even without using Android Auto or CarPlay. Can set destination, options, cancel, etc. In addition to touchscreen.

>"it's that the passenger is also locked out."

Mine isn't. So it depends on what vehicle you pick. Part of my car shopping involved a LOT of such examination/testing.

>"and have physical controls for the HVAC, radio"

Mine has that.

>"Then that gets to complaints on a LED screen than physical gauges. I'm fine with the screen so long as they simulate moving needles and such like on a physical gauge as it requires less "mental bandwidth" than a number."

Mine also has simulated analog gauges for speedometer, energy output, charge level, etc options.

>" Put a number there too so I can get an accurate read if I need it."

Has that too. And a HUD.

Nissan Ariya. It has its share of oddities, but is a real winner for displays, buttons/controls, options, layout. Plus fast, long-range, super quiet, very comfortable, spacious, actually attractive, high safety ratings, tons of convenience stuff, and affordable.

>"I recently test drove a Mach-E, and I mostly liked it. It was the first electric car I've tried out that felt like a regular car, and it wasn't too expensive."

Look at the Nissan Aryia. Seems to be a well-kept secret. It has an even better interior, and far more physical controls. Plus a better dash AND HUD. And the driver's dash can be set to display a more traditional analog speedometer and motor output meter (something very rare nowadays).

>"I want to get in my car and drive - not geek out with computers."

Well, they all have a hell of a lot of options and computer stuff, for sure.

Most cars already have/do this, and never have removed them. It is only the edge-case brands/models (Tesla being one of them) which dove into this "only touchscreen, few physical controls, and no dashboard" crap.

>"Only support brands that offer a no touchscreen option!!"

Absolutely not. There is *nothing* wrong with a touchscreen when implemented correctly. It makes programming and setup tremendously easier.

The problem is when the driver's dashboard and controls are removed and REPLACED with ONLY touchscreen controls in the center console (if it even is a console, more like a huge TV on a stick). Thankfully, there are many brands, Infiniti/Nissan being one of them, that have never abandoned either.

>"But I prefer to blame the idiots who could have said "no buttons no dice" but didn't. "

I *did* say that. And that is why my new car (2025 Ariya) continues to have all major functions with physical controls, plus a driver's dashboard, just like all the various models before it. It was a major requirement for my purchasing decision. Not all companies are playing the eliminate all controls.

>"it has physical controls for most everything (wipers, lights, music, display, brightness, HVAC, etc)"

Reply to self. Just to stress the amount of physical controls by expanding it in more detail:

Dash brightness, headlights, music controls, HVAC controls, mirror adjustments, mirror folding, locks, windows, moon roof, roof shade, cabin map lights, brake hold, trunk open, drive mode, shifter, all the seat adjustments, SOS call, center arm rest adjustment, steering wheel position, garage door, rear video mirror, cruise control, hazard lights, HUD on/off, park, fog lights, wipers (expanding to mode front and back, manual wipe, clean front and back, delay, auto), auto highbeam, headlight aiming, immediate charge, steering assist, defoggers, voice access (also can use a trigger word), cameras view, vent positions, glove box releases, audio power, hood release, and, of course, the master "Start" button.

These are ALL physical. Some also are available on center touch screen.

>"Nissan's latest concepts feature prominent physical buttons for common functions..."

Nissan never abandoned physical buttons for common functions. So why talk about "latest concepts". I just bought a new Ariya, it has physical controls for most everything (wipers, lights, music, display, brightness, HVAC, etc). PLUS a real dashboard in FRONT of the driver (meaning it is not just a huge "TV on a stick" in the middle), in addition to the integrated center console. On top of that it has a HUD. Plus many common functions even have voice activation. Those are four of the many reasons I bought it.

So please get your information correct before implying past or current models don't have physical controls. Nissan has, does, and will presumably continue to do this correctly.

Hadn't heard of "Playables" and sounded interesting. So went there...

  "Sign in to YouTube to play
  You must sign in to play this game"

Why? Sign into the world's largest tracker system to play a casual web game? Not gonna do that. The end.

And to think, I came to the comments to actually see if there were some insightful posts addressing some questions I have about this new technology/method, and if not, post questions. And what I find is pretty much all the same political crap every time vaccines come up.

So I guess there is no point asking :(

>"Why should China care about your laws?"

Because they are on the world stage? Because it is required when considered a favored nation? Because they will build less trust and have less business when companies believe their are going to rip off their intellectual property or produce their products in a way that does violate our laws?

>"Does the USA care about Chinese laws?"

As far as I am aware, yes.

>"Not sure how this story cleared that bar. Nothing techie for the nerds, and not a name anyone here recognizes."

It sank "during a storm". And not even a tie-in to climate change/emergency/crisis/justice/disaster or whatever it is currently called, which somehow automatically makes it Slashdot news-worthy.