Comment Re:Hmm... (Score 1) 102
First, there is a key part of the Heinlein quote in "contrary to public interest". There is very much a public interest in food being affordable, particularly when that affordability is targeted at those who most need it. That is separate from the question of propping up farm land value. A proposition I have not espoused or supported.
To whit, US farm land IS overpriced. But that is largely because of the fuel ethanol mandate and related subsidies. I remember when the Bush administration pushed through the ethanol mandate and subsidies and land prices doubled within a few years, and then doubled again a few years after that. This is what drives up land prices. Converting corn into fuel. Not giving families more to buy more carrots and cabbage. And to be clear, I agree that these should absolutely be revoked. However, this is different from SNAP. Where fuel ethanol related subsidies exist to create a market where one would not otherwise exist, SNAP does no such thing. There already is a market for human food, and it instead addresses the affordability question on one side, while also supporting farmers. Where fuel ethanol is largely one sided ($ for the largest farms possible, with little value to the rest of the nation) SNAP is more of a compromise ($ for produce farmers, and Food for those that need it.).
Starting a discussion of food affordability by trotting out Averages completely misses the point when it comes to a means tested benefit such as SNAP. The Average American is legally ineligible for SNAP benefits. It is intended for only those with less than a certain amount of income. In NJ, where I live, that is a gross monthly income of $4.8k for a family of 4. That may seem like a lot, but the median household income in my town is $12k/month and the average cost of a 2 bedroom apartment is over $2.6k or over half of the income eligibility threshold. And SNAP eligibility is determined by the state, so in most states the threshold for eligibility will be lower than a wealthy state with a high cost of living like NJ.
As for "we need a major decline of employment in the sector" it is sentiments like that which toss large tracts of the US into the Republican arms. Farmers don't want to be sacrificed for the sake of progress or anything else like that, and farmers vote. Ignoring that reality while proposing cutting programs that literally feed hungry kids and families is as myopic as farmers voting to support trumps attack on government programs. Gutting SNAP will not impact fuel ethanol related pricing, and as such will not impact midwestern land prices. What it will do is cause a lot of people to go hungry. Mostly children and pregnant/nursing moms. A better policy would be to end ethanol subsidies, and then incentivize conversion of export focused farms into producing for domestic consumption. Which would require converting at least some of the commodity crop fields (corn, soy, etc.) to produce.
To whit, US farm land IS overpriced. But that is largely because of the fuel ethanol mandate and related subsidies. I remember when the Bush administration pushed through the ethanol mandate and subsidies and land prices doubled within a few years, and then doubled again a few years after that. This is what drives up land prices. Converting corn into fuel. Not giving families more to buy more carrots and cabbage. And to be clear, I agree that these should absolutely be revoked. However, this is different from SNAP. Where fuel ethanol related subsidies exist to create a market where one would not otherwise exist, SNAP does no such thing. There already is a market for human food, and it instead addresses the affordability question on one side, while also supporting farmers. Where fuel ethanol is largely one sided ($ for the largest farms possible, with little value to the rest of the nation) SNAP is more of a compromise ($ for produce farmers, and Food for those that need it.).
Starting a discussion of food affordability by trotting out Averages completely misses the point when it comes to a means tested benefit such as SNAP. The Average American is legally ineligible for SNAP benefits. It is intended for only those with less than a certain amount of income. In NJ, where I live, that is a gross monthly income of $4.8k for a family of 4. That may seem like a lot, but the median household income in my town is $12k/month and the average cost of a 2 bedroom apartment is over $2.6k or over half of the income eligibility threshold. And SNAP eligibility is determined by the state, so in most states the threshold for eligibility will be lower than a wealthy state with a high cost of living like NJ.
As for "we need a major decline of employment in the sector" it is sentiments like that which toss large tracts of the US into the Republican arms. Farmers don't want to be sacrificed for the sake of progress or anything else like that, and farmers vote. Ignoring that reality while proposing cutting programs that literally feed hungry kids and families is as myopic as farmers voting to support trumps attack on government programs. Gutting SNAP will not impact fuel ethanol related pricing, and as such will not impact midwestern land prices. What it will do is cause a lot of people to go hungry. Mostly children and pregnant/nursing moms. A better policy would be to end ethanol subsidies, and then incentivize conversion of export focused farms into producing for domestic consumption. Which would require converting at least some of the commodity crop fields (corn, soy, etc.) to produce.