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Journal Timex's Journal: Christians have accepted Satan as god? 10

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Hamed Al-Tamimi, director of inter-religious dialogue for the PA's Judicial Council, says it is so.

He also writes, "Very few people know the truth about this [Christian Zionist] movement, which unconditionally supports the Zionist enemy and unconditionally opposes Islam and the Muslims."

Sounds to me like he is upset because nobody but Muslims accept the "God's covenant with Abraham is through Ishmael, not Isaac" story.

Christianity's origins begin with the Jewish faith. The Gospel was taught to Jews first, and when they (generally) rejected Jesus' teachings, it was taken to the Gentiles. The rest, as they say, is history.

I thought this was interesting:

The terror chieftain [Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar] told WND the West can learn from his group's Islamic values.

"Here I refer to what was said in the early '90s by Britain's Prince Charles at Oxford University. He spoke about Islam and its important role in morality and culture. He said the West must learn from Islam how to bring up children properly and to teach them the right values."

What "values" do he refer to? Teaching children to have such hatred for others (Muslim and non-Muslim alike) that it's worth blowing oneself up if it means killing several others? Teaching children that it's okay to lie, cheat, and steal from heathens, since they're cursed by Allah anyway?

These guys (Hamed Al-Tamimi and Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar, as well as others that agree with these people) are complete loonies.

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  • ... but I'm taking it to email. This post will hopefully remind me to send you a line tonight when I get home from work.
  • Christianity's origins begin with the Jewish faith. The Gospel was taught to Jews first, and when they (generally) rejected Jesus' teachings, it was taken to the Gentiles. The rest, as they say, is history.

    Not exactly. All of the first Christians were Jewish. Did the vast majority pick up Christianity? No.

    Then you say it was taken to the Gentiles? Um, first it was Peter to bring the word to the Gentiles, but Paul gravely protested. They also took up issue of whether the converted Gentiles need become J
    • Um, first it was Peter to bring the word to the Gentiles, but Paul gravely protested.

      I believe that the dissagreement you are referring to was not over whether or not to teach the gentiles, but how much of the Mosaic law needed to be followed by gentile converts.

      majority of Christians were Aryan and didn't believe in the Trinity.

      Thats quite a swath you drive there with your brush. The Nicean doctrine on the Trinity is doctrinal haggling. It is probably not what Timex was referring to.

      The Gospel was first OF
      • In short, I don't believe Timex said what you take offense to. And history aligns very well with his brief historic reference.

        I don't take offense at all to what he's saying, but rather HOW he's saying it.

        It basically presents the Jews as a seperate identity, which refused to believe in the Gospels, which is wrong, because some Jews did accept the Gospels. More specifically at the exact time, which he mentions: "was first rejected by the Jews", the only Christians were Jewish. To say that the Jews "reject
        • It basically presents the Jews as a seperate identity

          We are all one human race, but the Jew/Gentile distinction is from the Jewish perspective.

          some Jews did accept the Gospels

          If you mean the canonization of four particular books of scripture known as the "Gospels" (accepting the Gospels) you will be referencing something of a different perspective than what I read Timex doing.

          And I don't see Timex saying that no one of Jewish decent ever believed in Christ, that would be misreading him.

          Paul was an extremely
        • It basically presents the Jews as a seperate identity, which refused to believe in the Gospels, which is wrong, because some Jews did accept the Gospels. More specifically at the exact time, which he mentions: "was first rejected by the Jews", the only Christians were Jewish.

          In the beginning, the Good News was shared amongst the Jews only. The religious heirarchy, though, would have none of it. That's why Saul was able to go about killing Christians for what amounted to heresy.

          In the space of a few years
          • This text is much more elloquently stated, and shows an understanding of the issue.

            My concern was simply upon the simplified sentence, which you originally presented, and the percieved connotation that could be taken from it.
            • My concern was simply upon the simplified sentence, which you originally presented, and the percieved connotation that could be taken from it.

              That's what happens when I post a JE when I don't have a lot of time to put my thoughts into words. I generally expect the folk that read my drivel^H^H^H^H^H^HJEs to understand where I'm coming from. :)

              Generally, I think I tend to have a solid grasp of certain things. When in doubt, don't hesitate to ask for clarification, if it looks like I might be slipping....
              • Yeah, that's part of the problem sometimes, your audience can know things so well that you don't have to mention them, meanwhile someone with a different outlook/eyes comes in, and goes "oh crap! you didn't just say that."

                Meh, I know it happens to me. :)
  • I know you don't disagree with me on this. I just want to take this opportunity to point out some things.

    The Gospel was taught to Jews first,

    More significantly, the Gospel was taught to Jews by Jews first. "... salvation is of the Jews." (John 4:22) "Christianity" began as a totally Jewish movement, with a sizable faction of Pharisees (Paul among them), I might add.

    and when they (generally) rejected Jesus' teachings, it was taken to the Gentiles.

    "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have bel

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