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I was reading an article this morning about bigger than expected turnout in protest to Congress' planned discussion on immigration law changes.

From the article:

"We construct your schools. We cook your food," rapper Jorge Ruiz said after performing at a Dallas rally that drew 1,500. "We are the motor of this nation, but people don't see us. Blacks and whites, they had their revolution. They had their Martin Luther King. Now it is time for us."

Sorry, Chuckles. There's a huge difference here. For starters, the Black people that fought for their civil rights in this country were citizens of this country.

Nobody that sneaks into this country illegally has any business whatsoever complaining about the legal system. If they don't like what happens here, they can go back where they came from.

To address the comment regarding the work that is done by illegal immigrants, I will simply say this: There are many people in the United States that will not do certain types of work. They have become spoiled by the lack of rigid enforcement of immigration law. They know that there are people that are here illegally, who will do the "dirty work", so they don't have to. "Dirty work" or not, it's honest work, and nothing to be ashamed of.

People want to come to this country? There are rules that have to be followed. If someone is not willing to follow immigration laws, there's no guarantee that that person will be willing to follow any of the other laws on the books.

There's a simple solution to this, though: we can invade Mexico and make it a state (or several states). That way, the only walls we have to build will be along the borders to Guatemala and Belize, which is a lot shorter (and presumably easier to monitor) than the current border with Mexico.

Looks like Tuesday has come early this week, folks.

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  • Offer a family living wage and some form of protection from layoff, and I'll guarantee you you'll see American citizens willing to do ANYTHING. The "undocumented worker" experience is the same as underage labor used to be- it's the story of EXPLOITATION. You're not doing undocumented workers any favors at all for being here. They might as well be slaves for all the worker protection you offer them.

    Having said that, I personally think this is one problem that cries for a demand side answer. I'd love to
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      • Feel free to discount the inevitable inflation that it would cause. Prices would rise to pay the 'living wage' and therefore the 'living wage' would be the equivalent of today's minimum wage.

        Agreed- but why should rich people get away with treating other people like slaves just so they can have lower prices?

        Then you can send the secret police around to arrest and publically humiliate and execute the awful kulaks who are hoarding consumer goods.

        Or, alternatively, you can treat people like PEOPLE, and l
        • Or, alternatively, you can treat people like PEOPLE, and limit consumption the way Truman did- by taxing the rich.

          Most of us would not consider triggering mass unemployment as "treating people like people".
          • Most of us would not consider triggering mass unemployment as "treating people like people".

            Well, yes, sort of- though the "mass unemployment" didn't last long, less than Six months at a stretch [stlouisfed.org] during the 10 years the maximum tax rate was 95%. Seems the rich got smart and realized they could write off payrolls- caused a bit of instability until they got it right- but by the time Truman gave over the White House to Eisenhower, it seems to have worked itself out. The real bad unemployment had to wait for
      • Feel free to discount the inevitable inflation that it would cause.

        I don't mean to be inflammatory, but the same argument could have been made (and probably was) against the abolition of slavery. But that's not a reason to continue exploiting people.

        Prices would rise to pay the 'living wage' and therefore the 'living wage' would be the equivalent of today's minimum wage.

        I definitely believe that raising the minimum wage is economically a wash for those who work those jobs, and therefore a sick Democratic j
  • Sorry, Chuckles. There's a huge difference here. For starters, the Black people that fought for their civil rights in this country were citizens of this country.

    Nobody that sneaks into this country illegally has any business whatsoever complaining about the legal system. If they don't like what happens here, they can go back where they came from.

    Very, very nicely put.

  • There's a simple solution to this, though: we can invade Mexico and make it a state (or several states). That way, the only walls we have to build will be along the borders to Guatemala and Belize, which is a lot shorter (and presumably easier to monitor) than the current border with Mexico.

    heh As a Canuck I approve of your plan to expand your kingdom's reach southward. Avoid the North it is cold and filled with those who say eh!

    • heh As a Canuck I approve of your plan to expand your kingdom's reach southward. Avoid the North it is cold and filled with those who say eh!

      I am from Maine, a state that is often confused by those bad at geography as being a province of Canada.

      If Maine were to leave the Union and join up with Canada, I wouldn't be heart-broken... ...neither would I be likely to complain if the Union were to expand north.

      We won't, though. The reason is quite simple: With Canada as the Frozen Wasteland Buffer between us an
      • Perhaps a buyout is in order ala the Louisiana Purchase. The amount could go towards paying mexico's debt at the world bank and /fantasy alert/ distributed to the Mexican people.

        This is unlikely to happen as long as USCorp has need of cheap in hemisphere labour.

        The Walrus, a Canadian Mag on current affairs with a more scholarly bent than Macleans (our version of Time), had an article in their March 2005 issue about the close relationship your border states have with Canada http://www.walrusmagazine.com/ [walrusmagazine.com]

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