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Journal SolemnDragon's Journal: Flame on! I'm gone! 34

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ha. I'm burnt out already, you can't touch me. (I've already made an ash of myself?)

But you must have something with which to entertain yourselves!

So, the flamewar of the day:

Ayn Rand is a hack.

You know the drill, get to it!

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  • perhaps... (Score:3, Funny)

    by ellem ( 147712 ) * <[moc.liamg] [ta] [25melle]> on Monday May 01, 2006 @02:33PM (#15239087) Homepage Journal
    but when Angelia Jolie plays her... well... Ayn will be cool again!
  • Fantasy/Midieval and Vampire books are pretty cliche and hack-y now-a-days. You can't stand up to some of the classics, especially in fantasy with Tolken and CS Lewis.
    I'm afraid sci-fi is slowly heading that way, too. Those old 50s authors, and some 70s authors (probably the drugs) really made fantastic books you really don't see much now-a-days.
  • Them's fighting words! /raised by an objectivist!
  • So I can't really offer an opinion. But I will say 100%, and unequivocabely, that I agree with you compeltely except for those areas in which our views are divergent.
  • That is totally unfair. Ayn Rand inspired millions of impressionable teenage boys to actualize their inner selfish bastard and to become souless automata of self-interest, while convincing them that their behavior was not only acceptable but necessary. You should be ashamed of yourself for calling her a hack. Hacks don't have nearly that much capacity to damage society.

    The Ancient and Honorable Order of Hacks deserves better than this base smear.

    [You know, I don't think my asbestos pajamas are going to be s
    • You know, I don't think my asbestos pajamas are going to be sufficient to absorb the backflash from this. I'd better go for a swim in Lake Vostok.

      For my part I wish to tell you that Ayn Rand most certainly did not inspire this impressionable teenage boy to actualize my inner selfish bastard, because my inner selfish bastard was already my outer selfish bastard and has remained so ever since.

      Please remember to grovel sufficiently in my presence. Which is to say, continuously.

      Cheers,

      Ethelred

    • You're marginalizing all of us impressionable teenage girls who were inspired by Dagny Taggart.

      I'm living proof that girls can realize their inner selfish bastard too, thank you very much, and I'm sure that the other girl feels just as proud as I do (-:

      Pix
      • While I thought it reasonable to posit the existance of such females, I had not actually met any.[1] No exclusion meant, just limiting my claims.[2]

        [1: Largely as a consequence of being a complete dork as a teenager, which prevented me from getting to know many girls of any kind. This condition of dorkitude may or may not persist to this day. That's a judgement best left to others.]

        [2: Besides, it wouldn't be much of a flamewar if I didn't leave some room for argument. Since that as the most controversial a
        • Yes, well as flamewar topics go, your original comment was very well constructed. Besides, I've always wanted to call someone an insensitive clod, so it worked well for me...

          (-:

          Pix
          • It was good for me, too. :-)

            But you're right, I am an insensitive clod, or an obliviot, or something: I just noticed that you had used a singular noun where I thought you had used a plural. Hah!

            Well played, pixie... well played.
  • Ayn Rand is a hack.

    Yes, yes she is. Having only read Anthem I don't think I could stomach her pretentious bullshit for the length of The Fountainhead.
  • Ayn Rand appeals to boys older than 14 (where they finally grow out of straight SF) but younger than 19 (when they pick up Nietzsche or Hegel or whatever philosopher de jour in college). Chicks dig it if you can discourse on Baudrillard or the post-Structuralists. Not some derivative crap. Objectivism is such a minor phenomenon that Elrond Hubbard turned a better religion-as-self-realized-dick.
    • The people who would beg to differ about this particular book don't really give a damn if everyone else hates it.

      I would have to agree that it isn't really much of a tool if all you want to do is trot it out to impress the women, although after the whole silent birth thing, I think Objectivism is almost guaranteed to be less repulsive than Scientology as a pickup line (-:

      Pix

      • The people who would beg to differ about this particular book don't really give a damn if everyone else hates it.

        Isn't that the same as every other book, movie, comedey act (hello Colbert :-)

        she was fiercely proud of the United States, and in later years said to the graduating class at West Point, "I can say--not as a patriotic bromide, but with full knowledge of the necessary metaphysical, epistemological, ethical, political and esthetic roots--that the United States of America is the greatest, the n

        • Do you always judge the quality of an author's work by whether or not they pass your wikipedia moral life test?

          Your prospective reading list must be very short.

          *grin*

          Pixie

          • Its a JOKE :-)

            But you knew that already :-)

            I enjoy reading stuff by people I totally disagree with - more than once I've changed my mind, which is why its so d a r n e d fun. And even when I don't, its still fascinating to see how others perceive things.

            I guess that's why I like reading so much ... the possibilities are endless.

            • Heheh sorry, I couldn't resist, it was too perfect a setup (-:

              I couldn't agree more about reading even those things that you might expect to hate - if you only ever read things that reinforced your already existing point of view, how would you ever learn?

              Pix
  • This [slashdot.org] should stir some things up a little...
  • Rand a hack? Like hell. She wouldn't know a stack pointer from a frame pointer!
  • I liked Atlas Shrugged. They say to write your best, you need to write what you know. In Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand did that. She knows moochers, so she wrote her fantasy novel Atlas Shrugs Off The Moochers. It was an entertaining read.

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