The ideal setup - a single family home with a garage that could house a single EV primarily used for commuting

Maybe in your ideal world...

In my world, most families have 2+ cars and they are used pretty much every day to commute to different destinations....or maybe if wife stays home, she runs the kids around in it while Dad works....

If you're not running gas, your stove is probably 240, your dryer is probably 240, and if you have central AC, it's probably running 240.

Yep..my dryer is gas, my stove is gas my oven is gas (I love cooking on gas and avoid living anywhere they dont offer this.

But that being said....even when I lived in places day with an electric stove....all that was plugged in behind it, the plug/outles was not user accessible that I ever found....so, not an option to plug anything into it.

2. You need about one charger for every seven cars to be able to ensure decent access, because cars go about 10 days between charges

This is one BIG difference here...the UK is so small that ya'll don't drive much at all I guess....

Charging once every 10 days isn't remotely a possibility across the US....we drive everywhere...we don't really have a choice.

It's not at all inconvenient - you come home, you open the charge port, plug it in. When you leave, you unplug it, and drive away.

Not unlike my ICE vehicles (especially the diesel) in the winter. Just a heavier cord to plug in.

Ah...if you have the option to have a home with a charge point, that helps....not an option for a LOT of people.

Interesting...about the plug in car heater. Until recently I'd never heard of such a thing....I've never lived that far north...until I was running around with a girl from the NE for awhile I'd never heard of the concept.....a lot depends on where you live I guess.

The US is a very large country with many climates and regional habits, customs, etc....

Anyway...maybe by the time I move and live somewhere where I could charge at home readily...they'll actually have an EV I'd be interested in...something in a 2-seater sports car that is somewhat even remotely affordable.....

I've never owned a car with > 2 seats and all have been manual transmissions to date...so that would be a loss for me....

They actually would get more bang for their buck if they did take one car together, or biked (the majority of trips in the US are under 7 miles, and there are multiple options for carrying kids and groceries and gear on a bike), walked, and/or took public transit for some trips, and only used the vehicles when actually necessary. They would get even more bang for their buck if they didn't own multiple vehicles at all and biked, walked, and/or took public transit for most trips, and rented a/another vehicle when actually necessary. And kids can bike/walk/take public transit on their own long before they can drive, so this would mean considerably less trips to go pick up a kid and drive them somewhere else.

You obviously don't live in the US and don't have an idea how life is here.

Avg 7 miles? Are you insane?

Unless you live in one of the few BIG urban cities like a NYC or Chicago....that is just not the case..there is NO viable public transport....

And if there were, for example the other weekend I wanted to fire up my smoker....I bought a new 40 lb bag or so of lump charcoal to start my log burning offset smoker. I got myself a full untrimmed 12-14lb brisket, a chicken and a couple racks of ribs....some beer, and my weekly buy of normal groceries from Costco and couple other regular grocery stores, that had things I wanted on sale....how the hell would I get that home on a bicycle or public transportation that isn't door to door..?

By the way this type of shopping is not rare for me to do...

Renting a vehicle? When's the last time you did that....that is $$$ and you can't always depend on them having the type vehicle YOU want at the time....

Sure,, look...one CAN do things and bend over backwards to do theEV thing...but for the love of God, why would I want to put myself though inconveniences for my life...and pay more money for that privilege?

I would not consider myself to be anywhere CLOSER to "Type-A"....that's just how I was raised and how most everyone I've grown up with and around drives on trips....

I just want to get there....maximize the destination and tolerate as little as possible for the trip.

That's by car mind you....when out on my motorcycle....most of the fun is the trip.

Interesting,

I live in the New Orleans area....and there's just not squat down here for chargers.

I've looked on maps given me online...and most everything listed are private, not public chargers....the only ones I've seen out are some Tesla ones at a Winn-Dixie grocery store near me and I think 1-2 in front of a couple Whole Foods...but shy of that, not a lot around here to be found.

I dunno - many things I think are just part of life are an unforgivable show stopping inconvenience to others. All that said, when the outages occur, My life goes on just like it did before. Hot water, heat, Freezers. When the Electricity goes back on, My life goes on apace.

Last hurricane that came through LA last year...hit us from the west, a bit unusual and travelled inland and far enough to cause lots of outages even in the NOLA area. Weird thing was, I had no power for like 3-4 days...but next door neighbor did. He threw an extension cord over the fence and from that I hooked back and forth to my fridge and big chest freezer and a window unit AC I had.

That kept me going and saved a lot of food loss.

I really need to buy a gasoline powered generator for things like that.....like you said, to have something...when you need it.

in your town are the lampposts on the inside of the sidewalk? That's a problem for your urban planners.

Not sure what you perceive as "inside" the sidewalk...but I can say I've never seen a street light ON the street...they are usually in the sidewalk or on the side opposite from the street side of the sidewalk....hence you'd have to run the power cord from the car across the sidewalk to the street light.

what happens if you are low on fuel in your gas car when you get home? you park and you find a station to fill up in the morning or you go fill up before you park. why do anti-ev people assume gas cars have pocket dimensions with unlimited fuel?

Well, for gas stations, anywhere I've ever lived, you can't throw a rock without hitting a gas station. It is easily convenient to pull in and gas up every 1-2 weeks...takes 5 minutes tops and you're on your way....I don't see the same convenience with EVs, especially if you don't have private off street parking at your home to recharge EVERY day....

instead of making assumptions you nonce

What the fuck is a "nonce"....?

More of a pain? Plugging a vehicle in while it's parked overnight is more of a pain than driving to a gas station to fill it up periodically? How?

Having to remember to do it EVERY night...if you have multiple EVs...which one gets charged if you only have one outlet, and have to rearrange the cars to get close to the plug for the one that needs it most....

And that's for those that have a garage or offstreet parking....not something every house has.

And rentals....if you rent a house, you can't just Willy nilly have work done on the property to install new outlets.....and apartments....no charging and no guarantee for a certain parking spot even if they did have some...

All this a pain in the ass. And for longer travel....with and ICE I don't have to plan my route for where to refuel....it's anywhere to be found, whereas I'm reading all over how folks have to get one websites or apps to plan their trips to find charging stations and then...plan for at least 20-30+ minutes to fuel enough to go on....

yes, pain in the ass unless you have the ideal optimum set up and only drive short distances.....commutes and don't use your vehicles for things that many people use them for.....

Have a boat to haul and drop in the water on weekends for instance?

I have a friend who charges his in the driveway. It looks as "bad" as a plug for an emergency generator. Nothing drags on the ground no trip hazard, just a short length of cable. - he just back into the driveway, the connector is maybe three feet from the charging port on his car. Seriously it is as much a problem as deciding not to use emergency power at the house because that port on the house is just too much trouble.

Well, glad it works for your friend....it is dependent upon individual homes and circumstances .

Not everyone has external AC recepticles...hence my reference to possibly having to open your garage door...run the cord outside and close the door and have that hanging out across your driveway, etc.

And emergency power? Until I lived in New Orleans, I'd never heard of the topic....not something you see wide spread across the US....

The point where I lost interest was when they wanted me to pay money for a subscription just so I could tell it whether I'm walking or cycling so that it has some idea of how much exercise I'm getting

All that tracking is free, you don't have to pay extra for that.

I know there are some paid fitness things, but I believe those are for guidance videos, etc....not something I used, but I use my watch and phone to track my bike rides, swimming, weightlifting, etc....and that is all free, no extra charge.

Cool. That does sound like a perfect application. I am surprised there is a dryer that works on 120V. And, yet, I dry ALL my clothes/sheets/etc in my 240V dryer on low or very-low. Low heat is much less stress on the clothes (so they will last longer). It does take longer, but I am not in a rush. So I guess I would be fine with a lower-wattage unit, myself.

I've always used gas dryers...never needed to plug one into 240V.

That being said I was thrilled to find I did have a 240V outlet in the laundry room, and I run an extension cord from there to kitchen when I want to run my Spike Brewing system...the boil pot takes 240V to heat faster....saves a lot of time on the brewing day.

240V outlets are not required to charge EVs, but are there any US homes that do not have at least 240V?

I would say many would have maybe 1x 240V outlet in their laundry room, for the dryer....unless they just do a gas dryer, etc....

But other than that...that's just usually the only one in the house that I've ever seen.

Like lamp post chargers, which exist and work and are used by thousands of Brits every single day

So, ya'll have EVs parked on public streets, plugged into lampposts (street lights) with power cords just laying around all over the sidewalks where people walk and could trip over them, or vandalize them, etc...?

What happens if you are low, pull up and no parking spaces near your street light?