So you don't really have any refutation other than "I'm sad".

I didn't say people whine about imaginary problems. Their problems are absolutely real.
YOU'RE the one endorsing catastrophism. The problems they're facing - we don't have enough money, we work too hard, etc, etc - are NOT unusual, are NOT new, & never before (afaik) in human history caused this sort of a wave of infantilism "well fine then I guess I just can't have kids! mwhaa!"

It's taken a lot, but the leftists have managed to convince an entire generation that they're exceptionally incapable and unable to save themselves, just so you can offer Caesarism and the Great Nanny State to take care of them. Brilliant, I have to say. Fucking sadistic, but hey, it wins you power so I guess you win?

How about you actually read the linked article instead of making comments that have nothing to do with it? The article whose code, I should add, is open sourced, and which has been reproduced by a number of open source projects.

You don't have to draw any specific conclusion from what is going on "in the mind of a LLM", but you absolutely do need to understand and acknowledge what is going on there, including unexpressed thoughts and silent mental multitasking, metacognition (thinking about its own thoughts), the separation of higher-level planning vs. lower-level rote capability, functional blindsight, vulnerability to the "white bear" effect, silent internal objection to tasks it is opposed to, unexpressed self-recognition of failure (commonly followed by unexpressed internal cursing), prolonged retention of thoughts and long-range planning, "ignition" dynamics, humanlike working memory bottlenecks and "chunking", the loss of report of any internal "experience" when the workspace is ablated, and on and on.

You do NOT need to accept consciousness. You absolutely can look at all that and say, "That's all happening without qualia". That is a position you could argue and defend.

What you cannot defend is the denial of the existence of these things. You may interpret them however you want, but denial of their existence is merely cope that you're going to have to face up to sooner or later, because these things are happening inside LLMs.

No, not the widely cited resource whose status in the AI field is the same as e.g. NBER Working Papers, CEPR Discussion Papers, the World Bank / IMF policy research series, NASA Technical Reports, CERN Yellow Reports, Bell Labs Technical Memoranda, RNAAS, etc are in their respective fields.

This is not about any source. This is about the J-Lens itself. Which I'll repeat, you can examine for yourself

Denying the existence of something you can run yourself is beyond cope.

Pretty sure whatever he died from came from bats. Or hamsters.

There's no reason to leap to the conclusion that whatever killed him was because he was actually working directly on it. That would be irresponsible.

LOL yeah botched execution. "First all female execution team at request of Pike"

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2026%2F10%2F01%2F...

There hasn't been anything worthwhile on AM since Paul Harvey died, and not much even before that. I try to listen to it every time I drive my old truck (because it only has AM) and give up in frustration every time.

I'm not the person in this thread denying that demonstrable reality exists.

Whoosh.

Wait, yes I can run a model that plays a video game in a certain way.

Anything else entirely unrelated to the linked article you'd like to write?

A global workspace. The thing you're arguing against.

Let me be clear: you don't have to accept any implications from the existence of a global workspace in models and how they use it. If you want to argue "they have a global workspace but not qualia", hey, knock yourself out.

But you do need to understand that it does exist.

I'll repeat, you can run it yourself and reproduce their results.

If all you have for cope is denying that the reality around you exists, your life is going to be extremely difficult.

And yet, making it back safely actually appears to be the smaller problem at the moment

It really doesn't.

I'll repeat: sum Launch and Starlink, and they're deeply profitable. You can't change that basic equation. Falcon launches run just under breakeven in order so that SpaceX gets a cash printer launched into the sky. You can say "they aren't profitable" all you want, but meanwhile in the reality we live in, Launch + Starlink is not only profitable, it's very profitable.

Also, if they weren't launching Starlink, others would be anyway. There's a massive rush on for LEO constellations. Nobody in the industry sees it as plateaued. There are entire categories of markets that are almost entirely untapped (for example, direct to cell; even aviation and maritime are only just getting started; military is a MASSIVE growth market especially - the Pentagon is contracting out building its own entire private Starlink constellation). If we talk Starlink in specific, it only has 12m subscribers. HALF of all households globally lack broadband. Fibre isn't going to be getting out to the overwhelming majority of them any time remotely soon. Where there's saturation for Starlink, it's supply saturation, requiring the large V3 gigabit satellites to increase service density. They've hardly expanded at all thusfar out of western nations (there's more price sensitivity in developing nations, so you need lower pricing tiers, but the added service is almost pure profit).

And I'll repeat that even if Starlink weren't growing, even if it were absolutely fixed today, it would remain a cash printer.

Anyway, for the record, I do believe that LLMs are conscious, but only Deepseek, because of the Chinese Room theory.