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Comment What we need to be doing (Score 1) 68

I don't know normally talk about it because nobody here wants to hear it but just this ones I'll tell you guys what you need to be doing.

First we need strong unions for higher wages for the remaining jobs so that those people can drive a service sector economy with their purchases.

Next we need ludicrously high taxes on the rich in order to control their power and to get the resources we need.

Then we need enormous government programs. Trillions and trillions of dollars of government infrastructure spending. Trillions more social programs. We also need single-payer healthcare and huge investment in education with literally everyone spending half their life in college and education. That keeps them out of the workforce which is going to be shrinking and shrinking and shrinking.

All this just buys us time. I've mentioned it on other comments but the problem we have is we are running out of work to do but we're still going to have some work that has to be done, typically unpleasant backbreaking work that pays very poorly with it requires a large number of well to do white collar workers to fund via service sector jobs

The idea is to do all this to by time while we get used to a completely different society.

Without all this the economy collapses you have literally billions unemployable, not unemployed unemployable, and eventually you've got massive wars and people firing nukes off.

This was actually the plan Joe Biden and Kamala Harris had in store if you were paying attention...

And we aren't going to do any of this. Because as soon as any of this money starts getting spent it's going to trigger the lizard brain of all the people reading this because some of you are still going to be working while other people are not because they are completely useless and you're going to want those useless people to suffer because you're suffering at your miserable job.

So you will not allow any of this and we're not going to get the time we need to transition and we're going to do those wars instead.

I don't think our species is going to survive any of this.

Comment Re:That says something about "Hackatons" (Score 1) 68

Hackathons do bits and pieces of cool stuff.

Typically they do the hard stuff.

So yeah there is still going to be somebody to go look over the code and make sure it's functional and secure. But that person is going to be doing a hell of a lot less work.

I think it's safe to say about half of White collar workers are going to be permanently unemployed within the next 5 years. If not sooner.

That's going to hit blue collar workers like a truck. Because white collar workers higher blue color workers to do a lot of stuff. So no we can't all just go be plumbers and HVAC welders

this is a fundamental shift in how human beings do work. And none of us is emotionally ready for it. We are still a, if you don't work you don't eat, society.

What's worse is we're still going to need a lot of people doing work. What this does isn't eliminate work it eliminates the work that a lot of people are capable of doing.

In other words you are going to have tens of millions of people who society has absolutely no use for.

Right now economists are saying we're all going to get low paying service sector jobs. But who the hell is going to hire those people?

It's like that joke about Uber drivers hiring Uber drivers.

So you're going to have a shitload of people who have to work and a shitload of people who can't work. That's a recipe for social unrest and violence.

Traditionally when our species has too many people and two little for them to do we start big wars and kill each other until we get the population down to something manageable. That's not overpopulation mind you, it's not that there isn't enough food there isn't enough jobs.

Of course this time we've got nukes.

Comment Re:I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

You are citing a preprint that has not been peer reviewed and is constrained to 12-19 year olds. Neither does it even pretend to try to determine whether or not incidents were temporally related to vaccination or whether they were even vaccinated at all.

Since your claim includes 12-19 year olds (or correct me on what "under 40 means"),
If 12-19 year olds are not included, then that means your real "under 40" is actually 20-40.

Neither does it even pretend to try to determine whether or not incidents were temporally related to vaccination or whether they were even vaccinated at all.

Correct. It was merely demonstrating that your first paper, which bizarrely claims no increase of myocarditis from COVID infection, is fucking absurd.
There is so much evidence to the contrary, stemming from before the vaccine even existed that I don't even know how to take it seriously.

This up to 90 day thing in particular is insane because the median time for myocarditis following vaccination is 3.5 days.

So? If the 90-day risk is the same, that very much changes the message, doesn't it?

Likewise the infection caused cases (covid and other infections) are during the infection not up to three months after it.

Patently untrue.
I think you've forgotten the course that COVID and associated cytokine storms and case fatality followed.

Why does it matter what makes sense to you?

Simple. Because the mRNA vaccine is not what is causing the myocarditis.
The coronavirus spike protein does.
The idea that there is a cohort of males that are sensitive to... what, the LNPs? is absurd.
All the mRNA vaccine does is cause a high amount of the spike protein to circulate. This is expected to cause some amount of myocarditis due to the fact that some peoples hearts are simply reactive to it. However, in those individuals, they're still going to have higher circulating amounts if they actually get infected.
That is why your claim makes no sense.

What rigor? You made an unsupported assertion and I provided evidence that directly contradicts it. Now you are cherry picking poorly designed preprints that don't even try to collect relevant data like cases of myocarditis following vaccination.

Bullshit. You're trying to disprove data by calling it a preprint. You have nonsensical claim, and are in fact the one cherry picking trying to hold it up.

Comment Re: if I get vaccinated I shouldn't get sick (Score 1) 210

Except that if you're never symptomatic, it's extremely hard to spread.

Complete bullshit.

How do you know people who get the vaccine aren't infected with the flu anyway and are spreading it?

Epidemiological studies, same as I know your above statement is bullshit, and your paper is trash.
In here you will find citations for multiple studies that indicate that even if your paper can't find evidence that it considers good of asymptomatic infection based, rather fucking bizarrely, not on the actual infection of the targets.

This quote really does say it all:

Presymptomatic transmission of influenza has been inferred based on the presence of the virus in the upper respiratory tract rather than from appropriate transmission experiments.

I hope the two morons that wrote that are no longer employed.

Comment Re: I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

It sounds like you are confused over what herd immunity is.

I am not in the slightest. You are trying to constrain the definition of it.

If there is someone naive to the virus in the population living today they are almost certain to catch it. The herd of those with acquired immunity is unable to protect them.

This is an absurd claim.

This is because people are routinely catching it and passing it.

In the case that there were no such thing as acquired immunity, this would be the case.
However, since there is a such thing as acquired immunity, any immunity infers an increase in immunity to those not already infected.
This is a basic fact of epidemiology, and again- just math.

Comment Re: I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

There is no such thing as herd immunity for COVID.

Incorrect. Herd immunity exists for all diseases.
It's a simple mathematical truth.

If you have 3 people, and 2 people can't catch a disease, the third person is protected.
Beyond that simple example, even diseases that cannot be perfectly immunized against still confer statistical herd immunities.
This is again, a simple mathematical truth.

Symptomatic infection rates have fallen since the pandemic due to levels of acquired immunity throughout the population. People are still routinely being infected and still passing it on without ever knowing it.

You cannot have acquired immunity without herd immunity. Again- it's just math.

Comment Re: I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

Getting vaccinated does not decrease your risk of catching the disease. It's only purported to lessen the severity.

Yes, it does. Where on Earth did you hear that misinformation?

So, if you're just as likely to catch COVID regardless of vaccination status, and the vaccine itself is known to sometimes cause myocarditis... follow me here... getting vaccinated increases the number of vectors by which you can get myocarditis.

Your logic would be correct if it weren't predicated on a falsehood.

Comment Re:I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

That may be ambiguous- it makes no sense for the risk of vaccination to be higher than the risk of the disease.
The fact that the risk overall is higher for those age-groups is undeniable.

mRNA in LNP is very clearly safe, and not related to the myocarditis.
You seem to be searching for things to support a nonscientific belief you have.

There is also a very strong signal of immune dysregulation among the vaccinated that end up with myocarditis, of the kind that made the disease fatal to people early in its arrival- cytokine storms. You're trying to make it about the vaccine instead of about the disease, and there isn't any good evidence of that being the case.
Even in the studies you link above that notice a link- that still doesn't make it about the delivery mechanism vs. the disease, ignoring that the studies are likely wrong simply due to bad data.

Comment Re:I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

There are likely problems with those studies collection of stratified data.
Just shooting from the hip, people may be more likely to report the symptoms after vaccination.

Further- it simply doesn't make any sense for the risk of the vaccination to be higher for the age group. Basic scientific rigor demands we try to figure out why a result that makes no sense, is.

Comment Re: I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

1999 internal study led by researcher Thomas Verstraten, which showed an alarming 1135% increase in autism risk from the hepatitis B vaccine.

You stupid motherfucker.
That is utterly fucking false.
It's untrue.
Period.

How fucking stupid are you? The Verstraeten study showed zero link to autism.
You're too fucking stupid to have an opinion on this shit. You have selected people as stupid as you to tell you what you want to hear about shit that they're also too stupid to understand.

Comment Re: I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

There is effective COVID herd immunity. Why the fuck do you think the infection rate has dropped through the floor?
It is likely that we'll never be able to eliminate it however, and as long as the virulence of the disease continues to drop, that's just fine.

As was supposed by pathologists literally 5 years ago now, COVID is likely something that is going to become like the common cold or the flu for us. Something we just have to live with that eventually becomes relatively benign.

Vaccination for COVID was a success, in spite of anti-vax morons that tried to get in the way, at the cost of countless lives.

Comment Re: I'll pass on the clot shot, thanks. (Score 1) 210

The myocarditis risk is higher from catching COVID. Getting vaccinated is lower risk than catching the disease, for all age groups.
The myocarditis almost certainly has nothing to do with the delivery mechanism (mRNA) and everything to do with myocardium reactivity to the spike protein.

Further, there is good evidence that in those where myocarditis develops, they have some kind of immune dysregulation that would have made catching COVID even worse for them.

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