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Journal zogger's Journal: Neocons, too insane to rule 13

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This is one of the best and clearest analyses of the destruction (and the looming threat to all of us) of the R party by the neocons I have read. If you would like a better understanding of the "why" behind a lot of the more loony foreign policy decisions in the past 25 years, Paul Craig Roberts here lays it all out. It actually goes back further, but it hits some of the high points. And it also illustrates why we really need an alternative to the neocon party and the neocon lite party in the US, and why we need to stop being dominated by certain foreign and globalist/corporatist interests.

All you have to do is put yourself in the other guys shoes (in this example russia) to see he is speaking much truthiness here.

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  • How do you define "neocon"? Liberal in wolf's clothing? :-)

    • The "new" or neo conservatives who starting in the early 60s started an intra party war (which they won unfortunately) and drove it away from its traditional roots of [some examples of] smaller limited government with the strict separation of powers provisions, trying to mind our own business more and not interfere overseas the so called traditional "avoid foreign entanglements" going back to george washington, oddball notions like honesty in business, encouraging a diverse national economy including suppor

      • I think that the Dems favor more deranged policy, fed by a sort of utopianism:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c [youtube.com]

        Too, like it or not: the Monroe Doctrine is a feature of the past.
        Globalization has traded American industry for a Pax Americana. One can argue that the situation sucks, sure, but do you realistically think the US can simply pull chocks and bring all the boys back home?

        • They can, and they could. However, it would result in the destruction of the war industry.

          Mind you, the war industry is NOT the arms or ammo industry, those exist because people would make use of them regardless. The WAR industry is what sells war, not arms, not ammo, not tanks... they exist to sell war to each people, those slaughtered and those doing the slaughtering, and those sitting on the sidelines wondering which side they'll be on when its their turn. Mind you, the leaders are largely without sin

          • Or, as another general once said:

            In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

            http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html [msu.edu]

            You people REALLY need to stop repeating two VERY crucial mistakes. One... stop worshiping "leaders".

            Dude, have you ever read
            http://www.amazon.com/Landmark-Thucydides-Comprehensive-Guide-Peloponnesian/dp/0684827905/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219262634&sr=8-3 [amazon.com]?
            Human beings shall cease to be driven by some for of hierarchy just as soon as they sprout wings and gills and become fully tri-habitat.

            • You and I have to agree to disagree. "Human beings" are not the same as "biped meatsacks calling themselves humanity."

              At least not in my book. Human Being, to me, is an achievement that VERY few make. "Biped meatsacks calling themselves humanity", or "human animals", or whatever, are simply the lowest level of human consciousness I've yet met, nothing more than mere animals inhabiting human bodies, easily driven, spooked, guided or manipulated by whatever means available. The masses, if you will. Unabl

              • So, is your ideal of homo sapiens a renaissance man, a John Gault, or a Jesus Christ?

                • Re: (Score:1)

                  by zogger ( 617870 )

                  I am thinking more of alfred e neuman on quaaludes running for office....

                  • Uomo universalis meets John Galt (not gault), would be perfect.

                    As for Jesus, he would be a close second runner, but I disagree on him, solely because the neo christian view paints him as a peacenik hippie. The man was nothing of the sort. Love your enemies does not mean "don't destroy them."

                    I love my enemies because they help me grow and refine myself. Regardless of the outcome, they become part of me, or at least my experience. It is impossible to hate them without hating me. I love what I am and what

                    • Thanks for the speling correction.
                      As for Jesus (my first name being Christopher), I'm all for pulling the plug on history, and letting a perfect Socialism (the Kingdom of Heaven) kick in.
                      As it is left for us to wait for such, in the meantime [wikipedia.org] I'd prefer something more libertarian in flavor.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by cmacb ( 547347 )

          Thanks for that link. While I've often asked myself what the explanation is for the liberal views of some of my friends I always come up with an unsatisfactory answer such as "value relativism" which is too broad, and implies that my friends have actually thought about their position. This guy has at least a good approximation of "why good people become liberals".

          As to the the original post here I have a knee jerk reaction to the use of the word "neocon" becuase it is so often used as s "schoolyard taunt"

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