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Journal turg's Journal: Buying A House 26

We didn't think we'd be able to afford a house in Toronto. So we got half a house. Ha! Sorry , inside joke -- you'll get it soon.

Anyway, like I was saying, we didn't think we could afford to buy in TO. The asking prices are generally out of our reach and many, if not most, places are going for more than the asking price. I was talking to a friend on the weekend and she said they just looked at a place where the asking price was $300,000 (which is a low price around here). It was smaller than the apartment they're currently in and it needed $15,000 of work just to qualify for insurance (and, therefore, for a mortgage). There was a bidding war between four bidders and it went for $330,000.

But a friend of ours is an agent who specializes in finding inexpensive places. We told him to show us places under $200,000. We were looking for something (small) that was at least structurally sound and expecting to have to fix up the rest of it ourselves.

But we've found something quite interesting.

It's a row house -- about 100 years old. The row was originally built as housing for guards at the Don Jail. It's a pretty central location (a long way from the suburbs in any direction). It's had an addition (that more than doubled the size of the house) and some nice renovations (master bedroom has a skylight and ensuite bathroom -- the main level is all open concept). The lot is 106 feet deep

. . . and 12 feet wide.

But, hey, it's not only structurally sound, but has new roof, new wiring, new plumbing, 1991 furnace, and central air. It needs no major work. It's almost unheard of for something under $300 K to not need major work and the asking price on this place was $175 K. It was available for showings as of 11:30 AM Friday. There was supposed to be an agents' tour at 11:30. Our agent booked us an 11:30 showing but a bunch of agents just showed up for the tour with their clients. By noon the place was packed (which is admittedly not hard to do in this place, but still...). Everyone looking for an inexpensive place in the city was scrambling to have a look. Nathan (9 months old now) spent much of the time we were there charming the socks off of the sellers -- he grinned and giggled at them the whole time and adored their elephant-sized dog. They fell over themselves to play with him. So we're telling him that he got us that house.

Our agent told us that the place would probably sell that day (and that we almost certainly wouldn't see another place under $200 K in anywhere near as good shape as this place was). We got put an offer together by 6 pm and we were the first and I don't think they considered any others. (Talk about a self-fulfulling prophecy, eh?) Our offer was conditional on financing (and a professional home inspection) by tonight and that was a cakewalk so we signed the waiver and now we're committed.

It's not where we'll still be living in 20 years (did I mention it's sorta small? -- two levels, no real basement, no attic -- interior width is 10 feet and change) but at least we'll be building some equity while we're there.

It is significantly smaller than our current apartment. And we're probably paying more than most of the homeowners reading this paid for their homes.

If anyone's interested in seeing the MLS listing (with picture), e-mail or IM me for the link.

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  • it may not be big, but at least you got what you wanted! Besides, in a few years you'll be able to sell it for more than you bought it for, so that's a major plus as well, since you've already stated you won't be living there forever. Anyways Congrats buddy! :D
  • My wife and I got our previous house inexpensively, and put a reasonable amount of upgrades into it (about 35% of the original cost). When we sold, it had increased its value about 80%. So we had a nice place to live, and made some money too.

    Of course, I'm thankful to the Lord that we got the house as inexpensively as we did. That helped us, as the house was under- market price when we got it. We sold at market price (or even a little under).

    One upgrade that was well worth it was vinyl dual pane windows.

    • Yeah, I'm already thinking upgrades. It's got a flat roof so I'm dreaming of a rooftop deck/patio (with a skyline view) but the code says it has to be anchored to the joists -- which means punching holes in the roof of a house where our home inspector was surprised at the lack of leaks/moisture. So I don't know if we actually want to do that.
  • Sounds like a cool house, actually. And a real bargain for living in the city. Reminds me of Hugh Grant's place in Notting Hill.
  • Living 70 miles SE of you, I know what a great city TO is and would have loved to have moved there in my "single" days.

    Now I'm a home owner and and pretty much going to live out the rest of my time here, but still congrats!
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  • Except all prices are in US rather than Canadian Dollars.

    The only good news is there are still some bargans to be had in the Seattle area (even in-city) and I can get something nice for a resonable price while still having that "city" feel if I'm willing to commute in from one of the surrounding cities (Tacoma or Everett)

    The other bright spot is there are still 6 or so metro areas in the US with higher housing prices than Seattle (SF, Boston, San Diego, Honolulu, NYC, and LA).
    • Yeah, well, we're earning Canadian dollars so it's all the same to us. We could have moved to Hamilton (80 km away) and gotten a big beautiful house for under $100 K. But that would have been almost the worst of both worlds. Far enough away that it's all the upheaval of moving to a new city but not far enough that you've really gone someplace different.
  • And now if you set up a jail on your Linux machines, you'll feel right at home ;-)
  • Don't worry - I know someone who lives on a canal boat (a narrow boat). If you think your house is like living in a corridor, try a narrow boat some time :-)
  • Hey, it's your first house, right? I don't know of many people that get their dream home on the first go. That comes later. :-)
    • and for a house this size it's about as dreamy as it could be -- skylight, walk-in closet, central air, stacking washer and dryer just outside our bedroom, a short walk from Riverdale Farm [toronto.ca] (and a block and a half from the library) which will be fun for Nathan. It includes satellite dish and receiver but we don't really watch TV (haven't turned it on since the Olympics).
  • My current apartment (a single) is 4 rooms (living room, bedroom, kitchen, and bathroom). They are all in a straight line in that order ... and exactly 7' wide. My Queen sized bed leaves for a 1 foot wide walkway through the bedroom to get to the kitchen oor living room. It's actually quite comical for my friends to see someone my size living in such a tiny place.

    -Ab
  • Owning a home is a great thing, we are happily banging away on our little fixer upper and wishing we had done this a couple of years ago.
  • And we're probably paying more than most of the homeowners reading this paid for their homes.


    Do you mean you are paying more for a downpayment? Or more for your mortgage? OR just for the house price total. If its home price total, I live outside of DC. Things are CRAZY here. Granted, we just built a house, so YMMV.

    Glad the little 'un playing with the dog got you the house (I frequent http://ths.gardenweb.com [gardenweb.com], which house house building and selling forums, and the heart-string tug of a young family i
    • I said most of the homeowners -- I certainly know that there are places with more expensive real estate.

      About the conditions -- yeah, that's why we're giving Nathan the credit. That wasn't all we asked of them. They could have waited a few hours and had more offers, I'm sure. And they could have had at least a small bidding war if they wanted to let that happen.

      Though it seems that the condition of a professional home inspection is pretty standard around here -- but the newest house we looked at was proba
      • What is common around here is to sell the home "as is."

        As a buyer, I highly recommend having an inspection contingency (and if you can afford it, perhaps a structural engineer as well, simply because they are actual licensed professionals. Though the HI's have an association, its not really a regulated thing like a PE) and you know damn well I had both an HI and Structural Engineer... but as a seller... ;)

        So when is closing? Take the warnings of Blinder and I- you need to be on your mortgage people like
        • Jan. 12. We've got a really good mortgage broker.
          • schweet. What about moving? Are you moving yourselves? Or hiring out? Or a mix and match?
            • Well until this past Friday noon we weren't going to get serious about looking for a house until next year. We were just looking at a few places to get our feet wet and get a feel for what's out there. So we spent five days getting the deal done and getting a mortgage and that's all we've got so far.

              Random moving story: The only time we decided to use movers was to move from Rochester NY to Toronto. Turns out that movers charge like an extra $1000 to cross the border. They'll move you coast-to-coast within
              • We were just looking at a few places to get our feet wet and get a feel for what's out there.

                Famous last words! ;)

                well, the website forums I linked to above is a fabulous wealth of information for all aspects of Home buying and selling.
  • It may be small and pricey, but it's yours, and that's the important bit;-)
  • yeah- send me the listing info at
    mekka b (at) gmail YOURBRA . com

    (as always, to send me email, please remove YOUR BRA)

  • but at least we'll be building some equity while we're there.

    Don't even worry about fixing it up much (beyond what you want for yourselves). It sounds like you could sell it in a heartbeat. That said, holy crap on a stick the housing there is insane! Am I the only one who thinks that eventually no one except the filthy rich will be able to afford their own home? What will happen when housing is too expensive for people to actually buy a house, will they all get gobbled up by rich people to mow down and bui

    • Don't even worry about fixing it up much (beyond what you want for yourselves). It sounds like you could sell it in a heartbeat.

      Well, I'm a tinkerer so I'll have fun touching it up. And there's a few places where we could easily do something that would both increase the value and make it nicer for us. A coat of paint first. Then there's an ugly worn carpet in the living room, straight on the plywood. Some wood-laminate flooring there could significantly improve the look when you first walk in the door, f

  • House hunting in Toronto can be harrowing ... I was nearly in tears after the first few houses we looked at (insane prices, horrible houses). But your place sounds like a sweet deal, and a good investment! Enjoy!

    -- YS

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