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Journal tomhudson's Journal: GM planning to shink, become smaller than Ford or Toyota 7

But first, GM is in the process of abandoning all overseas operations in an attempt to "save" what it can in North America. Saab? Bankrupt. Opel is next.

In other news, the numbers for the bailout request to Canada contain some interesting stats that show just where GM is headed. From 22,000 jobs in 2005, to 12,500 jobs now, to 7,000 jobs in 2010. And they want $9 Billion from Canadian taxpayers to "preserve" those 7,000 jobs - or over a million dollars a job.

Over the next decade, GM will be shrunk to just GMC and Chevy. The current game plan, which involves preserving GMC, Chevy, Cadillac, and Buick, is unworkable, because both the Cadillac and Buick brands are pretty much being dealt a demographic death blow. Cadillac? Only people over 55 still see some cachet in the brand. Everyone else who wants a luxury car thinks Euro or Asian. Buick? Look at what happened to Oldsmobile ... add a few years, shake, stir, and - tada - gone, because the same negative demographics, plus the "smell of death" which now taints all GM products, are working against the brand.

You simply can't sell a "luxury car" or "premium vehicle" image when you're on the dole, living hand-to-mouth, and begging in every public square. GM products are now (even more than they were over the last few years) perma-branded as down-market.

You knew Pontiac was marked for euthenasia the day they started showing ads matching Kia's entry-level price point. Saturn? Buh-bye ... Hummer? $Worth $5 $billion? $Hummer? $Ha$ha$ha. It's worth is negative in this economic climate, same as -to put it into context - the worth of a 21" CRT (can't even give it away because it weighs a ton).

So, Ford will become the #1 North American manufacturer, Toyota will be #2, and GM will be 3rd or 4th.

You may have noticed I haven't mentioned Chrysler. That's because they are dead. There is NO possibility of Chrysler lasting, even with bail-out money. Minivans were the majority of their sales, and ALL of their profits, and we saw how quickly things curdled when THAT market cratered. What does Chrysler have left that has value or interest to consumers, aside from Jeep? Nothing. The Dodge RAM, which was hot a decade ago, is now just a fat ugly sister that nobody wants to take on a date. Cars? Nobody buys a Chrysler car any more.

A quick walk with my dogs a few nights ago confirms what everyone already knows - that GM and Chrysler are zombies. On one street, I counted over 40 vehicles - and only 4 were GM (and they were all over 5 years old) and not a single Chrysler. On another block, there was a newish Ford van, another (old) GM, but mostly Toyota, Honda, Kia, Mazda, etc. To look in the streets and parking lots, Chryslers' car assembly plants must have vanished into a black hole at the end of the last century.

You can't make people buy cars they don't want - and people obviously for the most part don't want what GM and Chrysler are building, so expect to see Chrysler disappear, GM pare down to just GMC trucks and Chevy (with *maybe* the tarting-up of a Chevy or two when times get better), with Ford becoming #1, and Toyota building more cars in North America than GM.

One obvious implication is that GM will never be able to pay back the bailout funds. Ever. Not going to happen. Any money given GM should be in the form of DIP (Debtor-in-Possession bankruptcy funding) or otherwise prioritized over any other debt, including shareholder and bondholder debt. However, governments being financially stupid (it's not their money, after all - it's taxpayers' money), we know who's going to be stuck with the bill in the end.

BTW - A million dollars a job? For jobs that will pay less (in some cases a lot less) and have fewer benefits than they do now? Are you f*cking retarded??? GTFO! If you're going to blow that sort of money, use it to buy a significant stake in a viable manufacturer (or buy one, two,or 3 outright).

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  • Chrysler had a town-hall meeting about two weeks ago. They called in all their employees and announced that while to all appearances and reason they must fold, they had decided that they wouldn't, and that they were going to work their remaining employees exceptionally hard, and that they were going to do all in their power not to go under. They have apparently cut all their projects except the top two or three most promising ones, and as far as negotiations with the unions - they are out of the job bank (t
    • It won't make a difference, because Chrysler doesn't have product that people want. People have been stung by the last round of the gas price roller-coaster, and won't want to repeat that experience, which means "smaller cars." Not minivans, not even that many Jeeps or pickups.

      Then there's the "death smell" problem. If it smells dead, people want to play it safe, and go with a company (and product) that will be around in 5 years. The solution for Chrysler earlier on would have been to do a pre-emptive

      • Lee Iacocca... Now there's a guy who should be in prison, better yet, a chain gang, for murder [fordpinto.com].

      • by ces ( 119879 )

        Chrysler doesn't have product that people want.

        Well the Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger seems to be the most popular Chrysler passenger car at the moment. With a fair bit of sales, at least up through last fall.

        What blows my mind looking at Chrysler's product range is they have almost no smaller vehicles. Some Jeep models, and the Dodge Caliber are it. No wonder they are hoping to partner with Fiat (though given Fiat's reputation one wonders if that is wise).

        Looking at world car makers Citron/Peugeot or Tata would seem to make for a better match up than Fiat

    • by ces ( 119879 )

      GM on the other hand had accountants sent by the Bush Admin to prep them for bankruptcy. The name of the game being "not while I'm in charge (I can't say president). So you may be entirely right about them going under.

      Remember there are two different types of bankruptcy, restructuring and liquidation.

      GM needs the former not the latter. They are still the world's #2 automaker. The biggest problem is who in their right mind is going to provide DIP financing?

      Which comes back to how the automaker bailout should have happened in the first place. GM and Chrysler should have been placed in a state similar to bankruptcy in all but name with the government providing DIP financing. Restructure what it makes sense to restructure. S

  • Why should anybody buy an Aveo when they can buy a better looking Korean car straight from the manufacturer? GM doesn't even make a small car any more.

    • People *were* buying them strictly because of the financing ... but now that THAT is gone ...

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