Comment Re:This is basically how US elections work (Score 1) 214
In Canada it's a requirement to have ID to vote.
Nope. Federally, and in at least some (and possibly all) cases, provincially, you can be vouched for by another elector without yourself showing ID (and until this past election, federally, you didn't have to show ID unless challenged). (For Quebec, for example, see ss. 335.1, 335.2 and 337.)
And it's to stop flagrant voter fraud that runs amok like you have in the US now.
We didn't have flagrant voter fraud when we didn't require ID to vote federally (until 2011). There's also no evidence of flagrant voter fraud in the US.
Here's how it works here: At tax time you are given the option to give your personal information to elections canada via your taxes.
You are also welcome not to. You still retain the right to vote, and the government can get your info from other ways (including provincial election agencies, who get it from medicare and driver's licence data, among other sources). You can also register on election day, federally, and during the election before election day, at any level.
This information is passed to the provincial branch of elections canada.
More often than not, it's passed the other way. And there is no provincial branch of Elections Canada: Elections Canada is an independent body set up by (the federal) Parliament, while the provincial agencies are set up by the provinces. They are completely independent.
If you weren't of age at the time, you can be enrolled when the next election comes along(very rare but it happens).
Actually, this is incredibly common: most people get a card in the mail six months before they turn 18 telling them they will be automatically added to the permanent electoral list, regardless of whether they've ever filed taxes. In fact, I can't think of anyone who wasn't automatically added at 18.
When you show up at the polling station, you show government issued ID. Or two current bills(last 30 days), showing that you live in that district.
Or you get vouched for. If you don't have ID, you have to swear an oath that you are who you say you are and live where you say you do, and someone who lives near you (in your same polling subdivision) has to make the same oath, and they need to show proper ID. You also have to state your name and address out loud for the deputy returning officer, poll clerk and any candidate representatives to hear. That's it. It's faster if you have ID (and the bills don't even have to be within 30 days; the ID can even be expired, in some cases), but it's not required.
Everyone has ID of some form up here. There are also a few other things you can use.
That's generally true, because all citizens have medicare (and nearly everyone gets the card, though it's not a requirement, actually) (citizens who take up residence elsewhere lose their medicare benefits at some point, but they also eventually (usually) lose their right to vote, though the timeframes don't perfectly overlap). In the US, many people do not have medicare. Many do not have driver's licences. And many don't have other government IDs. And the governments often charge for them. This is nothing but a poll tax in another name, which is unconstitutional, but not every judge agrees with this. If you don't give free IDs to all citizens, you shouldn't require them to be able to vote.
Once that happens, your name is stricken from the voter register and the ballot is used up.
Yup, which is how it works in the US too.
No wonder voting in the US is a mess.
Voting in the US is an utter mess; there are countless slashdot articles about this. Voting ID is a miniscule part of this problem.
Hey, someone earlier up wanted a source on that 3 million dead? Here, well it's 1.8 million, give or take a bit. Though it might be more, with 24 million more listed as inaccurate, and several million more registered illegally. Including non-americans.
The claim was that 3 million dead people "vote". That is not what it says at all. In fact, when people proposing voter ID laws are asked if they know of any cases of voter fraud, they often have trouble even naming one. Making huge hurdles that disenfranchise millions for an imagined problem that has a handful of occurrences, if even, does not seem like reasonable public policy.
Voter ID works. GET IT.
Doesn't seem to. Give it for free. Fix the system. Then I'm more than happy to support voter ID.