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Comment Re:That isn't basic income anymore (Score 1) 121

Other ideas:

Real jobs could actually pay less than fake ones. Somebody might take them because they are more interesting, easier, or more convienent. There may be "fake" jobs which are not paid for by the government, but instead by charitable individuals (kind of how artists are often paid now).

If you blow all your money you will still get free housing, which will be an insulated box with a lockable door (you furnish it yourself), plus shared bathroom and kitchen facilities. These must be located so somebody can still get a job while living in them (ie in towns, sorry NIMBYs). Living anywhere other than one of these or a property you own or rent is illegal, you will be arrested and thrown in one of these, with no choice about location. You also have to be in it 51% of the nights, this is to prevent people from using them as storage sheds, if you go below this they are cleaned out and your property thrown away. The "rent" will be deducted from your basic income. I don't think food is a problem there will be enough free food available so you won't starve even if you spend all your basic income on drugs and gambling.

Comment Re:That isn't basic income anymore (Score 1) 121

Actually I think I understand what you are saying:

Everybody gets the "basic income".

There are also "fake" jobs that pay more than they are worth, and you can take one of these jobs if you want. You get both the basic income and the pay for the fake jobs.

Real jobs would probably have to pay more than the fake ones, so in effect there is a minimum wage. But if you take one you get both the real wage and the basic income.

IMHO you may be right that this removes the problems of people lying to get out of doing the fake jobs which I have not been able to figure out.

Comment Re:That isn't basic income anymore (Score 1) 121

I think you are suggesting the same thing. They get the basic income if they work at a job, and the fed provides what I am calling "fake" jobs. These jobs still do something useful, it's just that the value provided is less than the basic income. I do believe a lot of the jobs can be in building things. But not enough, there is going to have to be a lot of grafitti cleanup jobs and a lot of "security guard" jobs.

If they have a real job they get both the basic income plus whatever the real job pays. And they don't have to do the fake job.

They can take time off from the fake job, to search for another job, or to do other things like raise a family or fix their house. Maybe there is a small cut to their basic income to discourage them from doing this, and they have to prove they are doing something.

The basic idea is that you have to "do something" to get the money. This isn't to prevent laziness, the reason is that it makes the money feel more valuable to the recipient and they will be more careful in how they use it.

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