Look, I probably have old 2.6x-tree source and other random earlier versions kicking around somewhere on a CD. I've seen it. I've compiled it. I know, second-hand but up close, just exactly how much of a train wreck Justin's initial code was, how it improved some as the ampdev community grew, and how much of it all went to complete sh*t again when AOL/Time-Warner emptied a dump truck full of money at their feet. I remember the Nitrane/NightTrain/NyTrayn (I honestly don't remember the spelling anymore) decoder debacle. I remember Tomislav Uzelac's issues with the project, and several narrowly averted lawsuits at the time of purchase against Nullsoft. Most of that was settled back in the day. But we all know that the antics kept going when Nullsoft and Spinner moved to San Francisco. We all know RIGHT NOW that that code should be refactored and updated in the extreme. And I can't see that happening with Llama Group or anyone else as AOL most likely still has an interest in, and legal claim to, the code. What we lost was a user experience that had cachet, panache, gravitas, a cool vibe. That vibe was killed by a huge corporation that just wanted to buy the community thinking something would magically happen for them without shepherding or building ...more. Lot's more. More, in terms of Shoutcast servers and websites and interoperability and probably some inter-process communication and maybe even OS integration, all while maintaining that cool vibe. Alas, life didn't flow that way. We could rebuild it. We could have JJ McKay voice over something like, "It really whips the porcupine's ass!", but it wouldn't be the same. -- The Llama Group is impaired by history. I wonder how things would be different today if Microsoft had bought the project rather than AOL/Time-Warner. -- But after it's all said and done, please, stand tall and strong against the gale and face it; WinAmp has been dead for a very, very long time. It is unlikely that anyone will ever be able to conjure the corpse. ...Or the community around it. Not without something completely new and sassy to replace it in the hearts and minds of the WinAmp faithful that won't entirely look unlike, or something like, WinAmp but won't BE WinAmp. Consider (UI/UX) skinning VLC and adding plug-in support or something but when you do it, be audacious about it. Anyone here could help build the next WinAmp, whatever it ends up being called.