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Journal pudge's Journal: Hacking Democracy 8

I watched the HBO documentary Hacking Democracy today. It had lots of great information in it, but it also had some annoying junk.

Basically, much of the narrative is sensationalist and even lies.

For example, right at the beginning, the narrator says (slightly paraphrased, I don't feel like hunting the exact words), that a negative vote count for Gore in 2000 "could not have happened by machine failure because it only affected presidential votes." That conclusion is totally unwarranted by the evidence at hand. By the same logic, the fact that my own name was left off the ballot was therefore not machine failure, because it only affected a single name in a single race.

Bev Harris, the woman behind Black Box Voting, at one point asserts as fact that Diebold is lying when they say the problems were fixed because they are not listed in the release notes. Sorry, that's not proof; it is also quite possible that the release notes just left those fixes out.

A Democrat involved in Kerry's campaign asserts as "fact" (his word!) that there was widespread voter fraud in New Mexico in 2004. This assertion barely has any evidence to support it, and certainly it is not established fact.

The narrator claims Cayuhoga County, OH election workers removed ballots or precincts that threw sample count off during the recount, but they did not provide any evidence at all to back up the assertion.

And so on. Again, I like the content. There's a lot of important stuff in this documentary, but there's also some B.S. you have to wade through.

Bottom line is what I've said for a long time, and what I mentioned in the journal I linked to above: we must have open source. It should be a requirement. Further, note that the machine hacked in the documentary is not a DRE (touchscreen) machine, but an optical scan machine. This is not about electronic vs. paper, because most paper ballots are ultimately tabulated by closed source machines.

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  • was that DIEBOLD is one the least competent "computer" companies I have ever seen. I mean Jesus Christ they don't even pretend to have security.
    • Yeah, all the Diebold stuff was just pathetic..

      "You stole our code"
      "Uh... it was on an anonymously accessible ftp site."
      "oh.. yeah, sorry, we won't do that again, we swear!"

      Morons.
  • ...but vote fraud aside, in 2004 where were all of those people who in 2000 claimed that Gore was the "real winner" because he received more popular votes? Shouldn't they have stood up and said in 2004 that it didn't matter if Kerry won Ohio and thus won the Electoral vote, because Bush won the popular vote (by much more than any Ohio voting could account for, even had Kerry won there in a landslide)? If in 2004 it had been solely up to a popular vote (which I'm against but pretty much every democrat in 2
    • by pudge ( 3605 ) *
      And what's even better is that the left today is trying to find ways to get rid of the electoral college, in large part because they are still pissed about 2000, and it would have given Bush the election in 2004 even if Kerry won Ohio.

      Crazy.
      • by GMontag ( 42283 )
        You write as if this is a new concept.

        James Earl Carter III said he was going to "eliminate" that system and I think I remember Ms. Rodham bringing that up too.
      • We are? I must've missed that Vast Left Wing Conspiracy newsletter. I bet it was written by Aaron Sorkin, he's been doing them lately. I would personally like to see that system get more back to the way it was originally envisioned, as opposed to tearing it down, but of course that could only really happen at the federal level or via a vast state-by-state grass roots campaign that would never work. You only need to hop over for a quick visit to digg to see a great real world example as to *why* we have
        • by pudge ( 3605 ) *
          Not all of the left, of course. But a large segment of it.

          You're not a typical leftist. You're old-school. You're practically a Reagan Democrat. :-)
  • A Democrat involved in Kerry's campaign asserts as "fact" (his word!) that there was widespread voter fraud in New Mexico in 2004. This assertion barely has any evidence to support it, and certainly it is not established fact.

    Of course he gave proof, weren't you listening? The fact that Bush was winning was proof... if you "know" (*wink* *wink*) how New Mexico is of course.
    [/sarcasm]
    Yes, that's what he said.

    I agree on the show.. good that it was made and that the information got out, but completely ludicro

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