You should not be abusive to anything, regardless of if it is capable of experiencing that abuse in the same way we can. Because it's not good for YOU. As the old saying goes, "...it's like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die."

Indeed, I wonder if it'd be easier, even if as you point out more expensive, to build a data center in a city. Just renovate an existing industrial building and hope nobody sees the planning notices.

Just responding to this point as an FYI. Data Centres are so specifically designed that it easier to lay waste to any existing structure that is on the land and start over. The company I work for has thousands of warehouses world-wide and really wanted to utilize what they had. The only practical solution was to fill the warehouses with data centre "modules" (think data centre in a shipping container) and even then there was an amazing amount of re-fit work. And nobody wants those data centre containers anymore.

Another random point: Data Centres in traditional hot-spots for them and/or inside cities are called "Tier I Markets" in the business. Latency was a really important consideration at one point (and still is for a lot of apps), so data centres needed to be near to population centres. So-called "AI" workloads don't care so much as they are more request-response in nature, so they are going up anywhere and everywhere where you can get power and permitting permission.

(Disclaimer: my organization does not consume water for DC cooling (we use air chillers), and all our power is renewable).

Of course AI chatbots spout biased nonsense.

So does every news show, every newspaper, every new site.

Their job was never to report the Who, What, Why, When and Where. Their job is to make you do your masters' bidding.

"If you read the papers, you're misinformed. If you don't read the papers, you're uniformed." --attr. Samuel Clemens, aka Mark Twain

Pulitzer Prize is named for one of the two biggest liars in journalism in history, one that along with his competitor dragged us into the Spanish-American War.

Always remember that, and the Tonkin Gulf Incident.

Forget it, and you will be unwittingly doing what others tell you to do.

In 1973 I was 4 years old. My side was the side of cookies, frosted flakes, hot cocoa and Scooby-Doo.

Years later I realized 1973 was the beginning of the end.

But now, I really think the seeds of our destruction were planted in 1965, before I was even born.

Been downhill ever since Apollo. Our last hurrah.

Did Copilot write this? Anytime I see "quietly" I get the feel AI wrote it.

I hope that after I die, the one word people use to describe me is "resurrected."

I don't recommend it.

I'm old. Like, well, really REALLY old. And you would think being essentially immortal would come with perks like being able to see, but having effective ciliary muscles and them being completely dead are two different things.

I watched the preso and my first thought was "Jesus (... thank you again sir), Apple keeps making better phones for old people!" This seems like one such phone, although I don't see myself opening my wallet for one until my 15 pro max is truly utterly dead (heh), and I know for sure that the hinge / crease is going to hold up.

Been creeping in for a bit. First in news, then in the stock ticker, tv, music, books, and now maps.

All passed off as helpful "suggestions."

The ones that really torque me off are "suggestions" in books, tv and music. I've disabled what I can but some of this can't be turned off.

Apple makes enough with hardware alone. They don't need to whoreify the whole "ecosystem."

I let 'em know what I think of it, but that all goes to the bitbucket. No one gives a rip. 2.5 billion is not even a dime's worth of pocket change, to them.

I won't move to Android, because that's Alphabet, ergo 100x worse. So here we are. I feel like Dark Helmet. Surrounded by assholes. Greedy assholes.

At least, for now, apple ads aren't *bam* in your face like others - but a "sponsored" result is an ad by another name.

I"m starting to understand the desire, of some, to move out to the woods, in a cabin, sans grid.

I'm a practitioner of "guerilla hi-fi" - you buy used, or build it yourself out of old schematics, rescue gear off the curb, etc.

o Speakers: 39 year old horns from Klipsch
o Receiver: 21 year old digital from panasonic
o Turntable : 49 years old Thorens
o Tape deck: 10 year old PC
o CD Player: Old beater Sony DVD
o Streaming: 20 year old Airport Express, hooked up with toslink, paired to my phone. AirPlay whatever I want from whatever "app" I want. Or from my own internal MP3 collection.

Not being beholden to a vendor like Sonos: Priceless

Sonos can go suck it. I can't even fathom its use case.

I get to stream whatever I want, and have studio-grade sound, all with kit nearly as old as I am.

Really? You must be in BFE or something.

Here where I am - somewhere in South Florida - FPL has consistently jacked up our rates, for a variety of stated reasons - including feeding the new colos.

Your experience != everyone else's.

My power bill has increased by about 20% DESPITE switching to LED lighting, which reduced my light draw from about 700w to maybe 50w for the whole house minus home cine and bathroom.

My power bill has increased DESPITE setting higher aircon temps.

So yes -- datacenters are absolutely jacking up rates, and have completely made irrelevant the change to LED.

I want my tungsten lamps back. A pox on the next son of a bitch who mandates a switch to a "higher efficiency" light, only see all those gains in efficiency wiped out by a much bigger power user.

The small drop in demand from going to LED is gone. Now, we have a massive increase in demand, supposedly solely to AI.

RAM, and other related prices, through the roof.

Happy, yet, tech bros? Not only did your greed jack up the global demand for electricity, now your insatiable thirst for cash and power make it so hardware's that much more expensive.

We abandoned our beloved tungsten, for this?

Do this to me, and I'll sue. I don't care for what -- the usual bullshit of "emotional damage" and "mental anguish" and all that.

I encourage every person erroneously flagged to do so. The only thing that hurts corporations is a hit on the wallet -- so hit their wallet, hard, and often.

Just a couple of random notes about the practicality of this.

• Some new inference data centers don't have gens. The idea is that with inference if a resource is not available it can be requested from another pool (availability zone). In these cases when the power goes out, the UPSs hold the load for 4-5 minutes to give the servers time to drop and then the site goes dark.
• Imagine 32 diesel freight train engines all powering up. That's what this is like for a site-wide utility power failure for a smallish data center. Thankfully most DCs now require an enclosure for each gen which limits the noise they produce while running.
• Most providers have between 24 and 48 hours of diesel fuel on-site. This is either in large central storage tanks or in belly tanks dedicated to each gen. A provider would have typically a 4-hour SLA on fuel delivery so once the gens start running a call is made to start running fuel trucks to the DC to begin the refueling process.

I'm not amused by it. The human on the other end is hoping the "AI" chatbot will give them results stripped of all SEO bullshit.

This alters that behavior. The chatbot will be unduly influenced by the ad, and the user will be unaware of this influence.

The answer is obvious: Online advertisement must die.

It's hard to parse sentences some of the words are.

Do not the cat.