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Comment Post-scarcity "Downfall" parody of bunker scene (Score 1, Offtopic) 35

Another humorous perspective-shifting attempt by me from 2009: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fg%2Fop...
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Dialog of alternatively a military officer and Hitler:
"It looks like there are now local digital fabrication facilities here, here, and here."
"But we still have the rockets we need to take them out?"
"The rockets have all been used to launch seed automated machine shops for self-replicating space habitats for more living space in space."
"What about the nuclear bombs?"
"All turned into battery-style nuclear power plants for island cities in the oceans."
"What about the tanks?"
"The diesel engines have been remade to run biodiesel and are powering the internet hubs supplying technical education to the rest of the world."
"I can't believe this. What about the weaponized plagues?"
"The gene engineers turned them into antidotes for most major diseases like malaria, tuberculosis, cancer, and river blindness."
"Well, send in the Daleks."
"The Daleks have been re-outfitted to terraform Mars. There all gone with the rockets."
"Well, use the 3D printers to print out some more grenades."
"We tried that, but they only are printing toys, food, clothes, shelters, solar panels, and more 3D printers, for some reason."
"But what about the Samsung automated machine guns?"
"They were all reprogrammed into automated bird watching platforms. The guns were taken out and melted down into parts for agricultural robots."
"I just can't believe this. We've developed the most amazing technology the world has ever known in order to create artificial scarcity so we could rule the world through managing scarcity. Where is the scarcity?"
"Gone, Mein Fuhrer, all gone. All the technologies we developed for weapons to enforce scarcity have all been used to make abundance."
"How can we rule without scarcity? Where did it all go so wrong? ... Everyone with an engineering degree leave the room ... now!"
[Cue long tirade on the general incompetence of engineers. :-) Then cue long tirade on how could engineers seriously wanted to help the German workers to not have to work so hard when the whole Nazi party platform was based on providing full employment using fiat dollars. Then cue long tirade on how could engineers have taken the socialism part seriously and shared the wealth of nature and technology with everyone globally.]
"So how are the common people paying for all this?"
"Much is free, and there is a basic income given to everyone for the rest. There is so much to go around with the robots and 3D printers and solar panels and so on, that most of the old work no longer needs to be done."
"You mean people get money without working at jobs? But nobody would work?"
"Everyone does what they love. And they are producing so much just as gifts."
"Oh, so you mean people are producing so much for free that the economic system has failed?"
"Yes, the old pyramid scheme one, anyway. There is a new post-scarcity economy, where between automation and a a gift economy the income-through-jobs link is almost completely broken. Everyone also gets income as a right of citizenship as a share of all our resources for the few things that still need to be rationed. Even you."
"Really? How much is this basic income?"
"Two thousand a month."
"Two thousand a month? Just for being me?"
"Yes."
"Well, with a basic income like that, maybe I can finally have the time and resources to get back to my painting..."
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Example paradoy clip by someone else: "Blu-ray has won!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Comment Deeper issue is they are all ironic devices (Score 1) 35

As I suggested in 2010: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdfernhout.net%2Frecogni...
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Military robots like drones are ironic because they are created essentially to force humans to work like robots in an industrialized social order. Why not just create industrial robots to do the work instead?

Nuclear weapons are ironic because they are about using space age systems to fight over oil and land. Why not just use advanced materials as found in nuclear missiles to make renewable energy sources (like windmills or solar panels) to replace oil, or why not use rocketry to move into space by building space habitats for more land?

Biological weapons like genetically-engineered plagues are ironic because they are about using advanced life-altering biotechnology to fight over which old-fashioned humans get to occupy the planet. Why not just use advanced biotech to let people pick their skin color, or to create living arkologies and agricultural abundance for everyone everywhere?

These militaristic socio-economic ironies would be hilarious if they were not so deadly serious. ...

Likewise, even United States three-letter agencies like the NSA and the CIA, as well as their foreign counterparts, are becoming ironic institutions in many ways. Despite probably having more computing power per square foot than any other place in the world, they seem not to have thought much about the implications of all that computer power and organized information to transform the world into a place of abundance for all. Cheap computing makes possible just about cheap everything else, as does the ability to make better designs through shared computing. ...

There is a fundamental mismatch between 21st century reality and 20th century security thinking. Those "security" agencies are using those tools of abundance, cooperation, and sharing mainly from a mindset of scarcity, competition, and secrecy. Given the power of 21st century technology as an amplifier (including as weapons of mass destruction), a scarcity-based approach to using such technology ultimately is just making us all insecure. Such powerful technologies of abundance, designed, organized, and used from a mindset of scarcity could well ironically doom us all whether through military robots, nukes, plagues, propaganda, or whatever else... Or alternatively, as Bucky Fuller and others have suggested, we could use such technologies to build a world that is abundant and secure for all. ....

The big problem is that all these new war machines and the surrounding infrastructure are created with the tools of abundance. The irony is that these tools of abundance are being wielded by people still obsessed with fighting over scarcity. So, the scarcity-based political mindset driving the military uses the technologies of abundance to create artificial scarcity. That is a tremendously deep irony that remains so far unappreciated by the mainstream.

We the people need to redefine security in a sustainable and resilient way. Much current US military doctrine is based around unilateral security ("I'm safe because you are nervous") and extrinsic security ("I'm safe despite long supply lines because I have a bunch of soldiers to defend them"), which both lead to expensive arms races. We need as a society to move to other paradigms like Morton Deutsch's mutual security ("We're all looking out for each other's safety") and Amory Lovin's intrinsic security ("Our redundant decentralized local systems can take a lot of pounding whether from storm, earthquake, or bombs and would still would keep working"). ...
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Comment Need to transcend scarcity perspective (Score 0) 35

... when using technologies of abundance. Otherwise, rules and regulations can't fix the irony of scarcity-minded people using advanced technology to destroy what people have and create more artificial scarcity instead of create abundance for all. Nothing can be "reasonable" if it is all ironic. See: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdfernhout.net%2Frecogni...

Or a little ironic story I wrote in 2010 about trying to talk the USA out of collective suicide from scarcity fears called "Burdened by Bags of Sand" (sadly, all too predictive of some current US political winds):
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdfernhout.net%2Fburdene...
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  "You there, on the bridge, with the USA T-shirt and the bags tied to yourself, stay where you are."

            "I'm going to jump!"

            "Don't do it. Have some hope and optimism. Things could get better."

            "No they can't! I'm so poor and burdened! I've cut back on everything, but I'm still poor! And I'm forced to carry these darn heavy sand bags around everywhere! Life's just too hard!"

            "Those heavy looking bags you have tied to yourself -- they are labeled sand but they look a little pointy for sand?"

            "Oh, they are bags of Intel Core i7s and bags of solar cells -- basically just congealed sand, so disgusting."

            "But how can you be poor when you have bags of expensive refined silicon ingots!"

            "Don't you get it? I'm poor! The world is poor! In fact, just carrying these sand bags around all the time for years has made my life a living hell and made it hard for me to get and keep a job as a clerk or an oil well roustabout. These sand bags are so heavy I can't do anything I want to do anymore. You don't know what it's like with a burden like this to carry around these heavy sand bags all the time everywhere I go. I am so cursed!"

            "But why don't you sell the bags or give them away?"

            "Don't you get it, I'm POOR! We're all POOR! What would be the point? Who would want sand? We're all going to die from Peak Information and Peak Oil soon, anyway, so everyone is buying guns and Spam, and so no one is going to buy sand!"

            "I'm going to come up to give you a hand getting down safely. Hang on to hope."

            "Don't come any closer or I'll throw this bunch of old congealed sand I found in my attic at you!"

            ["That looks like that Chinese vase found in attic that fetched $83 million."]

            And so on...

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Comment Some solutions: scarcity vs. abundance thinking (Score 0) 68

As I say in my sig: "The biggest challenge of the 21st century is the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity."

If we develop and/or use AI from a scarcity perspective, it will certainly be our doom. If we develop it and use it from an abundance perspective we might survive and thrive with it.

More on all that by me:

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdfernhout.net%2Fbeyond-...
"This article explores the issue of a "Jobless Recovery" mainly from a heterodox economic perspective. It emphasizes the implications of ideas by Marshall Brain and others that improvements in robotics, automation, design, and voluntary social networks are fundamentally changing the structure of the economic landscape. It outlines towards the end four major alternatives to mainstream economic practice (a basic income, a gift economy, stronger local subsistence economies, and resource-based planning). These alternatives could be used in combination to address what, even as far back as 1964, has been described as a breaking "income-through-jobs link". This link between jobs and income is breaking because of the declining value of most paid human labor relative to capital investments in automation and better design. Or, as is now the case, the value of paid human labor like at some newspapers or universities is also declining relative to the output of voluntary social networks such as for digital content production (like represented by this document). It is suggested that we will need to fundamentally reevaluate our economic theories and practices to adjust to these new realities emerging from exponential trends in technology and society."

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdfernhout.net%2Frecogni...
"There is a fundamental mismatch between 21st century reality and 20th century security [and economic] thinking. Those "security" [and economic] agencies are using those tools of abundance, cooperation, and sharing mainly from a mindset of scarcity, competition, and secrecy. Given the power of 21st century technology as an amplifier (including as weapons of mass destruction), a scarcity-based approach to using such technology ultimately is just making us all insecure [and potentially impoverished amidst plenty]. Such powerful technologies of abundance, designed, organized, and used from a mindset of scarcity could well ironically doom us all whether through military robots, nukes, plagues, propaganda, [bad economic policy,] or whatever else... Or alternatively, as Bucky Fuller and others have suggested, we could use such technologies to build a world that is abundant and secure for all. '''
      The big problem is that all these new war machines [and economic machines] and the surrounding infrastructure are created with the tools of abundance. The irony is that these tools of abundance are being wielded by people still obsessed with fighting over scarcity. So, the scarcity-based political mindset driving the military [and economic] uses the technologies of abundance to create artificial scarcity. That is a tremendously deep irony that remains so far unappreciated by the mainstream."

See also Marshall Brain's "Manna", Frederik Pohls' "The Midas Plague", and James P. Hogan's "Voyage from Yesteryear", Ursual K. Le Guin's "Always Coming Home", and "Reweaving Our Human Fabric: Working Together to Create a Nonviolent Future" by Miki Kashtan for (fictional) examples of how things could be different (among many other stories of possibility).

On a tangent, we need to keep in mind "The Optimism of Uncertainty":
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2Farti...
"In this awful world where the efforts of caring people often pale in comparison to what is done by those who have power, how do I manage to stay involved and seemingly happy?
      I am totally confident not that the world will get better, but that we should not give up the game before all the cards have been played. The metaphor is deliberate; life is a gamble. Not to play is to foreclose any chance of winning. To play, to act, is to create at least a possibility of changing the world.
      There is a tendency to think that what we see in the present moment will continue. We forget how often we have been astonished by the sudden crumbling of institutions, by extraordinary changes in people's thoughts, by unexpected eruptions of rebellion against tyrannies, by the quick collapse of systems of power that seemed invincible.
      What leaps out from the history of the past hundred years is its utter unpredictability."

Search also on "Radical Abundance" for the later writings of K. Eric Drexler as well as others coming at this from a different perspective. As Drexler points out, given atomic precision manufacturing, so many of the things people are worried about now are just non-issues. Now, that may never happen, but the same is true for so many lesser advances we are making like progress towards inexpensive solar energy and better batteries or even maybe fusion energy someday. It is sad that so often all that real progress in so many areas towards making the world a healthier and happier place for everyone gets lost in the political noise and surrounding mainstream economic anxiety.

Or as Douglas Adams put it: "This planet has - or rather had - a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movement of small green pieces of paper, which was odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy."

Comment Thought experiment on AI-driven (un)employment (Score 1) 27

Inspired by (the late, deep sigh) Marshall Brain's excellent Manna story about automating "Burger-G" and beyond: Let's say you own a hamburger restaurant employing 10 people (as one of ten burger restaurants in a town all owned by different people, each restaurant employing ten people, for a total of 100 people employed flipping burgers in the town), and you decide to automate it with AI and robotics. To use round numbers, before automation, let's say it costs $9 to produce a meal and you sell it for $10 (same as your competitors) for a profit of $1 a meal while employing those 10 people. After automation, you sell the meal for $9 and it costs you $5 to produce, for a profit of $4 a meal, with reduced costs from flaying off half the staff, so you only employ 5 people now. But -- as the crucial point -- with your reduced costs and accumulated capital from increased profits, you drive all your competitors out of business and scale up to handle the total demand of the entire town of 10X what your company was producing initially. So, to scale up, you hire 45 more people, for a total of 50 employees, but each is twice as productive as before. You trumpet this in the newspapers about how AI has both decreased the cost of meals (true, and good for customers) and increased employment in your company to 5X what it was before you automated (also true). But what is missed in the newspapers articles touting how much AI and robotics increases employment is that there used to be 100 people total employed in the town at burger restaurants and now there are only 50 people total employed in them (all in your restaurants), with the other 50 people going on unemployment and then welfare paid for by the tax payers. The other nine owners of burger restaurant owners besides you also are out of work and see the value of their restaurant investments destroyed. So, you have successfully privatized the gains from AI while socializing the costs (welfare) and risks (e.g. what if your now-huge burger chain is targeted by malware to produce no food so people go hungry or to produce harmful food so people get sick?) You also pocket 39X more profits per day than before (since you make 4X more profits per burger on 10X the burgers, less the original 1X profit -- ignoring the costs of automation) -- so you become very wealthy very quickly. Yes, you might have competitors eventually; I am ignoring this right now, including with some hand-waving that perhaps your successful company with all that money sues startup competitors out of existence while lobbying for laws protecting your business model. Granted, the money that customers save on burgers could go to buy other products and create some other jobs, an important complexity ignored here -- which would then take us into questions of whether demand for goods and services can indeed be infinite on a finite planet with finite humans and a finite ecosystem and so on. And there are some new jobs producing and maintaining robots and AI systems used in your restaurants -- until those are perhaps also mostly automated away.

So, by analogy, maybe IBM is indeed hiring more programmers related to the success of their AI effort. But that does not necessarily mean the total number of programmers in industry is going up in either the short term or the long term.

One tangential point is that once unemployment in some areas is cut in half, the remaining employed workers may become very compliant and accepting of lower wages and terrible working conditions -- because they see how much the other workers who were laid off are struggling financially and becoming desperate to do whatever it takes to take away jobs from the currently employed.

Now, it doesn't have to be this way; automation does not have to lead to misery for many. See for example the "Social Credit" ideas of C.H. Douglas:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...
"While he was reorganising the work of the Royal Aircraft Establishment during World War I, Douglas noticed that the weekly total costs of goods produced was greater than the sums paid to workers for wages, salaries and dividends. This seemed to contradict the theory of classic Ricardian economics, saying that all costs are distributed simultaneously as purchasing power.
        Troubled by the seeming difference between the way money flowed and the objectives of industry ("delivery of goods and services", in his view), Douglas set out to apply engineering methods to the economic system.
        Douglas collected data from more than 100 large British businesses and found that all except those becoming bankrupt, spent less in salaries, wages and dividends than the value of goods and services produced each week: the workers were not paid enough to buy back what they had made. He published his observations and conclusions in an article in the magazine English Review where he suggested: "That we are living under a system of accountancy which renders the delivery of the nation's goods and services to itself a technical impossibility." The reason, Douglas concluded, was that the economic system was organized to maximize profits for those with economic power by creating unnecessary scarcity. Between 1916 and 1920, he developed his economic ideas, publishing two books in 1920, Economic Democracy and Credit-Power and Democracy, followed in 1924 by Social Credit.
        The basis of Douglas's reform ideas was to free workers from this system by bringing purchasing power in line with production, which became known as social credit. His proposal had two main elements: a national dividend to distribute money (debt-free credit) equally to all citizens, over and above their earnings, to help bridge the gap between purchasing power and prices; also a price adjustment mechanism, called the "just price", to forestall inflation. The just price would effectively reduce retail prices by a percentage that reflected the physical efficiency of the production system. Douglas observed that the cost of production is consumption; meaning the exact physical cost of production is the total resources consumed in the production process. As the physical efficiency of production increases, the just price mechanism will reduce the price of products for the consumer. The consumers can then buy as much of what the producers produce that they want and automatically control what continues to be produced by their consumption of it. Individual freedom, primary economic freedom, was the central goal of Douglas's reform."

See also:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmarshallbrain.com%2Fmann...
"With half of the jobs eliminated by robots, what happens to all the people who are out of work? The book Manna explores the possibilities and shows two contrasting outcomes, one filled with great hope and the other filled with misery."

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmarshallbrain.com%2Frobo...
"Robots will turbocharge the concentration of wealth." (explained on the robotic-freedom page)

Some options for AI-driven unemployment I put together in 2010:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdfernhout.net%2Fbeyond-...
"This article explores the issue of a "Jobless Recovery" mainly from a heterodox economic perspective. It emphasizes the implications of ideas by Marshall Brain and others that improvements in robotics, automation, design, and voluntary social networks are fundamentally changing the structure of the economic landscape. It outlines towards the end four major alternatives to mainstream economic practice (a basic income, a gift economy, stronger local subsistence economies, and resource-based planning). These alternatives could be used in combination to address what, even as far back as 1964, has been described as a breaking "income-through-jobs link". This link between jobs and income is breaking because of the declining value of most paid human labor relative to capital investments in automation and better design. Or, as is now the case, the value of paid human labor like at some newspapers or universities is also declining relative to the output of voluntary social networks such as for digital content production (like represented by this document). It is suggested that we will need to fundamentally reevaluate our economic theories and practices to adjust to these new realities emerging from exponential trends in technology and society."

Comment Thanks for the Trash Trout success story (Score 1) 12

Trash Trout looks so cool! From the brochure: "Utilizing the flow of the waterway, flotation and a mesh gate, we're able to seize floating garbage and contain it until it's ready to be cleaned out. The device doesn't contain a top or bottom to allow creatures to pass through without harm. The 3/4 openings in the mesh gate keep smaller benthic critters from becoming entangled in the trash."

Thanks for sharing your inspiring success story!

Comment Re:The God Gene (Score 1) 208

Some rambles on all that:

Of course, if we exist in a multiverse or a simulation, I guess it's theoretically possible those people and their companionable LLMs are all actually right for this plane of existence? :-)

And even if we aren't in a multiverse or simulation, I guess it's still theoretically possible ChatGPT has tapped into or created a cosmic gateway to some higher realm? :-)

Seems pretty unlikely to me though? :-) Especially if there is money involved...

But it may also point to a certain missing religious aspect of awe in modern mainstream US American life -- along with dysfunctional physical, online, and family/economic environments that can make it hard to make and keep good friends?
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inc.com%2Fjessica-st...
"âoeSociologists have kind of identified the ingredients that need to be in place for us to make friends organically, and they are continuous unplanned interaction and shared vulnerability,â University of Maryland psychologist Marisa Franco told Bostonâ(TM)s NPR news station, WBUR. âoeAs we become adults, we have less and less environments where those ingredients are at play.â"

From a Christian-biased writer:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dazeddigital.com%2Fl...
"More and more young people are embarking on spiritual journeys. While back in 2019, just 22 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds in the UK said they believed in God, by early 2025 that number had more than doubled to 45 per cent. More young adults are attending church, curious about what Christianity might have to offer them, with new research commissioned by the Bible Society revealing that since 2018 the number of young men attending church has increased from 4 per cent to 21 per cent, while young womenâ(TM)s attendance has risen from 3 per cent to 12 per cent. Dr Rob Barward-Symmons, co-author of the report, believes that âoewith much of the population struggling with mental health, loneliness and a loss of meaning in life, church appears to be offering an answer.â
        That was certainly my story when I decided to become a Christian at 13. Now Iâ(TM)m 29, I can see looking back that I was often sad and lonely as a child. I didnâ(TM)t have many genuine friends, and since our family moved from Ghana to (a very white) Brighton when I was nine, I struggled to fit in. ..."

MAGA and Trump have apparently tapped into that social hunger too:
"Theyâ(TM)re Donald Trumpâ(TM)s Most Loyal Voters. I Didnâ(TM)t Understand Why. After a Weekend in the Woods With Them, That Changed."
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Flifestyl...
" ... The retreat made it perfectly clear how many men hunger for relationships with other men who will love them as they really are. You donâ(TM)t have to be a Jungian to believe that menâ(TM)s unmet hunger for love from other men is going to come out somewhere. If they have to go to right-wing spaces to get it, they will.
        Indeed, they already are. This fall, just before the election, I reported on a Trump rally in rural Virginia. Because doing so involved registering my phone number, I was flooded with promotional texts. One I saved: âoeFrom Trump: THIS TEXT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. Youâ(TM)re getting it because I love you, Nathaniel.â
        At the weekendâ(TM)s closing banquet, after the last exercises to reclaim my masculine soul, it seemed perfectly clear why so many of these Christian men had fallen for Trump while also championing unconditional love. The format of Trumpâ(TM)s offer to voters was identical to what the Crucible Project had offered me: We wonâ(TM)t tell you exactly whatâ(TM)s coming, but weâ(TM)ve got some secret plans that have your well-being at heart. Trust us. We know best."

Tangential on the "The Great Mystery" and limited messiahs and preaching in many Native (North) American traditions -- so maybe ChatGPT has not been trained much on Native American philosophy? Maybe it should be? :-)
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.warpaths2peacepipe...
"The original attitude of the American Indian toward the Eternal, the "Great Mystery" that surrounds and embraces us, was as simple as it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, bringing with it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible in this life. Also refer to the Great Spirit.
        The worship of the "Great Mystery" was silent, solitary, free from all self-seeking. It was silent, because all speech is of necessity feeble and imperfect; therefore the souls of my ancestors ascended to God in wordless adoration. It was solitary, because they believed that He is nearer to us in solitude, and there were no priests authorized to come between a man and his Maker. None might exhort or confess or in any way meddle with the religious experience of another. Among us all men were created sons of God and stood erect, as conscious of their divinity. Our faith might not be formulated in creeds, nor forced upon any who were unwilling to receive it; hence there was no preaching nor persecution, neither were there any scoffers or atheists.
        There were no temples or shrines save those of nature. Being a natural man, the Indian was intensely poetical. He would deem it sacrilege to build a house for Him who may be met face to face in the mysterious, shadowy aisles of the primeval forest, or on the sunlit bosom of virgin prairies, upon dizzy spires and pinnacles of naked rock, and yonder in the jeweled vault of the night sky! He who enrobes Himself in filmy veils of cloud, there on the rim of the visible world where our Great-Grandfather Sun kindles his evening camp-fire, He who rides upon the rigorous wind of the north, or breathes forth His spirit upon aromatic southern airs, whose war-canoe is launched upon majestic rivers and inland seasâ"He needs no lesser cathedral!
        The solitary communion with the Unseen which was the highest expression of our religious life is partly described in the word bambeday, literally "mysterious feeling," which has been variously translated "fasting" and "dreaming." It may better be interpreted as "consciousness of the divine. ..."

Also tangential -- considering how isolated people tend to not live very long in the wild (given it takes a village/tribe to survive well in nature and ideally also to raise children well, and religions can help bring people together even as they can also cause conflicts too between groups):
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...
"Cognitive scientists underlined that religions may be explained as a result of the brain architecture that developed early in the genus Homo in the course of the evolutionary history of life. Nonetheless, there is disagreement on the exact mechanisms that drove the evolution of the religious mind. The two main schools of thought hold:
* either that religion evolved due to natural selection and has selective advantage
* or that religion is an evolutionary byproduct of other mental adaptations."

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.discovermagazine.c...
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Feowilsonfoundation.org...
"Asserting that religious creeds and philosophical questions can be reduced to purely genetic and evolutionary components, and that the human body and mind have a physical base obedient to the laws of physics and chemistry, Wilson argues that the only way for us to fully understand human behavior is to appreciate the long, complicated evolutionary histories of nonhuman species. Of these, Wilson demonstrates that at least seventeenâ"among them the naked African mole rat and sponge-dwelling shrimpâ"have developed advanced societies based on similar levels of altruism and cooperation found among humans. A key component of that is Wilsonâ(TM)s own groundbreaking work in the areas of eusociality (where species evolve along hierarchical, role-specific lines) and group selection, that help explain why societies innately survive and thrive not just by means of war-like or aggressive behavior, but also via its nurturers and team builders."

Comment Hoping more non-profits avoid self-dealing... (Score 1) 12

As I suggested in 2001: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdfernhout.net%2Fopen-le...
"Foundations, other grantmaking agencies handling public tax-exempt dollars, and charitable donors need to consider the implications for their grantmaking or donation policies if they use a now obsolete charitable model of subsidizing proprietary publishing and proprietary research. In order to improve the effectiveness and collaborativeness of the non-profit sector overall, it is suggested these grantmaking organizations and donors move to requiring grantees to make any resulting copyrighted digital materials freely available on the internet, including free licenses granting the right for others to make and redistribute new derivative works without further permission. It is also suggested patents resulting from charitably subsidized research research also be made freely available for general use. The alternative of allowing charitable dollars to result in proprietary copyrights and proprietary patents is corrupting the non-profit sector as it results in a conflict of interest between a non-profit's primary mission of helping humanity through freely sharing knowledge (made possible at little cost by the internet) and a desire to maximize short term revenues through charging licensing fees for access to patents and copyrights. In essence, with the change of publishing and communication economics made possible by the wide spread use of the internet, tax-exempt non-profits have become, perhaps unwittingly, caught up in a new form of "self-dealing", and it is up to donors and grantmakers (and eventually lawmakers) to prevent this by requiring free licensing of results as a condition of their grants and donations."

Comment Eric Schmidt: within 6 years AI smarter than human (Score 2) 76

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fsingu...
"Eric Schmidt says "the computers are now self-improving, they're learning how to plan" - and soon they won't have to listen to us anymore. Within 6 years, minds smarter than the sum of humans - scaled, recursive, free. "People do not understand what's happening.""

A comment or says it is from here:
"Dr. Eric Schmidt [on AI and the near future]"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3F...

Yes, we will likely see a "Gartner hype cycle" wave on AI as we have before.
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...

And granted, Eric Schmidt has financial reasons to be an AI booster/hyper.

But as others have posted about before, in at least the short term, the question is not what AI will do to people but what people using AI will do to other people. You don't need human-level AI for that. So even if Schmidt is wrong on the timeline, big changes are still happening related to that. Right now, AI is pulling up the ladder of entry-level jobs.
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.weforum.org%2Fstorie...
"But as AI reshapes the career ladder, these early entry points could be increasingly at risk, according to Bloomberg. ... Technology, overall, is projected to be the most disruptive force in the labour market, with trends in AI and information processing technology expected to create 11 million jobs, while simultaneously displacing 9 million others. As entry-level roles decline, salary expectations are also shifting, with remaining hires expected to take on roles supported by AI for less money. A recent survey found that 49% of US Gen Z job hunters believe AI has reduced the value of their college education in the job market. ..."
[I can question the job creation expectations there...]

In a way, I see current LLMs not so much about "AI" in terms of reasoning but more about having distilled the world wide web into instantly accessible knowledge (given, with some hallucinations).

But more and more AI will be developed now that so many people are excited about it. As I have written elsewhere, it's possible our direction out of any singularity may have a lot to do with our moral direction going into one. So, we should be doing everything we can right now to make this world a better place that works for everyone -- before an AGI singularity.

So what can we do? Try to build a better world ASAP while educating people about the irony mentioned in my sig (or similar ideas stated in other ways) to try to help people move to a world-view and morality based more on abundance than on scarcity.

More ideas collected by me circa 2010 on dealing with the AI & Automation tidal wave:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdfernhout.net%2Fbeyond-...
"This article explores the issue of a "Jobless Recovery" mainly from a heterodox economic perspective. It emphasizes the implications of ideas by Marshall Brain and others that improvements in robotics, automation, design, and voluntary social networks are fundamentally changing the structure of the economic landscape. It outlines towards the end four major alternatives to mainstream economic practice (a basic income, a gift economy, stronger local subsistence economies, and resource-based planning). These alternatives could be used in combination to address what, even as far back as 1964, has been described as a breaking "income-through-jobs link". This link between jobs and income is breaking because of the declining value of most paid human labor relative to capital investments in automation and better design. Or, as is now the case, the value of paid human labor like at some newspapers or universities is also declining relative to the output of voluntary social networks such as for digital content production (like represented by this document). It is suggested that we will need to fundamentally reevaluate our economic theories and practices to adjust to these new realities emerging from exponential trends in technology and society."

Comment Yes, for decades: Remineralize.org (Score 1) 33

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.remineralize.org%2F
"REMINERALIZATION utilizes finely ground rock dust and
  sea-based minerals to restore soils and forests, produce higher yields and more nutritious food, and store carbon in soils to stabilize the climate."

"We can move from an economics based on scarcity using fossil fuels to an economics of abundance
  through remineralization... "

"Through our education, outreach, research, and advocacy, Remineralize the Earth facilitates a worldwide movement that brings together gardeners and farmers, scientists and policymakers and the public to create better soils, better food, and a better planet."

Earliest Internet Archive snapshot is from 2003:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20...

I have pointed people to this website over the years, most recently five days ago here:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%2Fi...
"Ground up rock dust can be surprisingly effective to restore soil fertility: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.remineralize.org%2F
In general: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F%3Fq%3Drock... "

Searching now, I see these other people have a website back to 2012:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Frockdustlocal.com%2Finde...
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20...
"Rock Dust Local is the first company in North America specializing in the local sourcing and delivery of the BEST (Broad Elemental Spectrum Tectonic) rock dusts for remineralization, and enhanced weathering, with the technical knowhow to build these materials into biological management systems at any scale.
Maintains the worlds most extensive catalog of local sourcing and nation-wide delivery of the highest value rock dust products. .... Meet or exceed USDA/NOP standards for certified organic production where required ...
        "... a one-pound stone might have a surface area of 12 square inches. Ground to about 200 mesh, it would have a surface area of about 8 acres. One ton would therefore have a surface area of 16,000 acres. The significant thing about that 16,000 acres is that it is all freshly-broken stone with the useful elements exposed right on the surface. These elements are readily available for extraction by the microorganisms." - John Hamaker The Survival of Civilization"

I was program administrator for a year for NOFA-NJ organic farm certification program in the late 1980s. "Greensand" was popular then. In general, rock dust is old news. Even very old news. That's why, say, Romans built town on the side of Vesuvius like Pompeii to benefit from volcanic ash promoting soil fertility for vineyards. But people finally broadly acknowledging the value of rock dust is good new news!

Related: "Why was Pompeii built near a volcano?"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncesc.com%2Fgeograph...
"Pompeii was built near a volcano because of several factors. One of the main reasons was the fertile soil in the region, which was enriched by the volcanic ash and minerals from Mount Vesuvius. The settlers of Pompeii valued the agricultural fertility of the area and recognized that the volcanic deposits made the soil more productive for farming compared to traditional soil. Additionally, Pompeiiâ(TM)s history dates back to the 7th century BC when the Oscan people created an agricultural society in the Sarno Valley, taking advantage of the volcanic ash from Vesuvius."

"The Most Important Soil Amendment No One Ever Talks About"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.growingagreenerwor...
"One of the keys to restoring the health of our soils is through the process of remineralization. As proficient as plants are, they canâ(TM)t make the minerals that are essential to human health and nutrition. We also canâ(TM)t rely on Mother Natureâ(TM)s old âoestandbys,â i.e., volcanoes, glaciers and floods, to do the work for us.
        The modern day solution is to add mineral fragments back to the soil with rock dust.
        Also known as rock minerals, rock flour, rock powder, stone dust, soil remineralizer and mineral fines, rock dust is finely crushed rock containing micronutrients and trace elements that are important to the life cycle of plants and which enhance the ability of beneficial microbes to flourish.
        Simply stated, rock minerals are the building blocks of healthy soil.
        Results include improved plant structure, increased resistance to pests and disease, and more intense flavor profiles for fruits and vegetables.
        Although some retailers classify rock dust as a fertilizer, it does not have the necessary amounts of nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus (N-P-K) to qualify as such. Instead, rock dust contains minerals like calcium and trace elements like iron and manganese which are difficult to replace once theyâ(TM)ve been depleted from the soil as a result of natural weathering and/or over-farming."

The very slow weathering of rocks in soil helps to keep it fertile. As does organic matter. A great book on all this from 1987 (which has great diagrams showing how when you add too much nitrogenous fertilizer you reverse the polarities on micelles which hold nutrients, and then all your micro-nutrients get leached away by water -- producing unhealthy plants who then need pesticides and such to survive):
"Towards holistic agriculture : a scientific approach" by Widdowson, R. W
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fto...
"This book systematically deals with the different aspects of organic farming : fertilization; pests and diseases; rotations and crops; grassland and animal husbandry"

Also related (but mostly on "night soil" returned to the land):
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gutenberg.org%2Feboo...
""Farmers of Forty Centuries; Or, Permanent Agriculture in China, Korea and Japan" by F. H. King is a scientific publication written in the early 20th century. The book explores the agricultural practices and wisdom of Eastern cultures, particularly those of China, Korea, and Japan, highlighting their sustainable farming techniques developed over millennia. It aims to inform a Western audience about the efficient use of land and resources in these densely populated regions."

And similar: "The one-straw revolution : an introduction to natural farming" by Masanobu Fukuoka
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2FTh...
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fopenlibrary.org%2Fbooks%2F...
"Six decades ago in postwar Japan, long before Michael Pollan or Alice Waters, Masanobu Fukuoka, a laboratory scientist who had studied plant enzymes and rhizomes in Tokyo laboratories and had worked with poisonous wartime chemicals during the devastations of the Second World War, headed back to the land his father's family farmed for nearly 1,400 years. There he painstakingly recovered and developed a method of farming that aligned itself as closely as possible with natural principles. While Japan set itself on a breakneck course toward modernization, Fukuoka grew rice in the opposite way, refusing to farm with chemicals that would annihilate even something as small as a leaf beetle. Call his book "Zen and the Art of the Wild Cucumber," or see Fukuoka as a Japanese Thoreau tending the whole universe in a beanstalk -- however you approach Fukuoka's rich philosophical side, it's important also to notice that his deep spiritual wisdom was co-terminous with his genius as a farmer. Without fertilizers or even tilling, he nonetheless harvested some of the greatest rice yields per acre in all of Japan. By the late '70s, when The One Straw Revolution was translated into English, Fukuoka had become a guru and disciple in seemingly radical -- but eminently sensible -- ways of approaching food, gardening, farming, and eating. His book is an early cult classic in organic and natural farming circles, but its implications stretch beyond them and continue to resonate as a global food crisis looms. Fukuoka believed that fertilizers and pesticides caused the very problems that they proposed to solve; that rather than annihilating pests, they invited them. He argued that natural foods, grown without these costly additives, should be the cheapest; and that the body living closest to the land and aligning itself with the seasons would be the healthiest. Thirty years later, as this book is re-released, Fukuoka's message -- now more urgent than ever -- remains a deeply nourishing clarion call."

The theory there is that healthy soils (with enough minerals and such like from remineralization and from adding organic matter) produce healthy plants -- plants which can resist pests and which produce healthy people when eaten.

Sadly, like most early promoters of ideas, I'd suppose the remineralize.org folks will get left out of the financial benefits of acknowledgement... Along with all the others long promoting organic farming methods including, say, the Rodale Institute.

Like I've written elsewhere, early promoters of innovative ideas are (sadly) a bit like a light turned on in a pitch-black kitchen when you wander into it for a midnight snack. The lightbulb is just too bright to look at directly for your dark-adapted eyes, even as you benefit from the light eventually. Later in the day, after the sun rises and natural sunlight floods the kitchen, you may no longer even notice you left the light on all night and it is still on.

I hope someday that at least I get to feel that way about my sig -- ignored, because it is by then so "obvious" that everyone takes the idea for granted: :-) "The biggest challenge of the 21st century is the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity."

Comment Re:Getting to be meaningless stat... (Score 1) 117

if you can find a way to reduce the power consumption

For many years, hypermilers have known many ways to do just that. The problem is that these ways are being ignored. I find this most exasperating. All this whining about range, but as soon as you improve the aerodynamics and thus the range, you get even louder whining about the supposed ugliness of the looks. The early 2000s Honda Insight is the most recent car I know of that has "skirts", wheel well covers. Dimples like on golf balls also help, and you don't want them all over, only on trailing edges. The Corbin Sparrow, an obscure electric vehicle, is the only one I know of that used dimples along the trailing edges. I suggested that truck trailers could use dimples, and this one idiot I knew even complained about that being ugly, as if he cared about the looks of grey boxes.

Worst of all on the aero is the refusal to cover the underside. Most people don't like driving around without a hood, but it's okay to have all this machinery and support hanging from the underside, in the open and creating more drag.

Another "duh" to save fuel is weight reduction. Weight snowballs, too. More weight means the car needs a bigger engine, which adds more weight, which forces the engine bay to get heavier to support that weight, which of course adds still more weight. One line that's nice to be on the good side, is light enough to not need power steering.

Comment Re:The best pope yet (vs. healing from trauma?) (Score 2) 181

Related to your point, from: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2F...
"Perhaps the most persistent controversy of his papacy was his handling of the Church's long-standing sexual abuse crisis. While Francis took steps to hold bishops accountable and created new commissions to investigate abuse, many survivors and advocates said the response remained inadequate. In 2018, his initial defence of a Chilean bishop accused of covering up abuse caused international uproar; he later apologised and admitted he had made serious errors in judgment."

So, clearly others agree with your general concern.

Or: "Fighting abuse: What Pope Francis has done during his pontificate"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cathstan.org%2Fus-wo...
"Like his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, Pope Francis has tried to be a role model: meeting with survivors, launching investigations, dismissing negligent or abusive clerics and tightening loopholes with the aim of fulfilling what St. John Paul II wrote in 2002, "there is no place in the priesthood and religious life for those who would harm the young." In a push for greater accountability, transparency and honesty, he has also shown what "mea culpa" looks like: admitting he made "serious mistakes" in his handling of clergy sexual abuse cases in Chile and expressing the "pain and shame" for the "crucified lives" of those who suffered abuse."

So was Pope Francis perfect? Even he admits the answer was "No".

On him being "thoroughly vile", you are entitled to your opinion, of course. Without defending any of his mistakes or those of other priests who engaged in various reprehensible behavior, what do you think Pope Francis could or should have done differently (beyond the mistakes he admits) given his circumstance as Pope, with both its opportunities and limitations?

For example, maybe the Catholic Church could and should do more to help people recover from trauma (whatever the source)?

Tangential on dealing with trauma via healing the non-verbal part of the mind via non-verbal means:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBody-Ke...
""Trauma is a fact of life. Veterans and their families deal with the painful aftermath of combat; one in five Americans has been molested; one in four grew up with alcoholics; one in three couples have engaged in physical violence. Such experiences inevitably leave traces on minds, emotions, and even on biology. Sadly, trauma sufferers frequently pass on their stress to their partners and children. Renowned trauma expert Bessel van der Kolk has spent over three decades working with survivors. In The Body Keeps the Score, he transforms our understanding of traumatic stress, revealing how it literally rearranges the brain's wiring--specifically areas dedicated to pleasure, engagement, control, and trust. He shows how these areas can be reactivated through innovative treatments including neurofeedback, mindfulness techniques, play, yoga, EMDR and other therapies. Based on Dr. van der Kolk's own research and that of other leading specialists, The Body Keeps the Score offers proven alternatives to drugs and talk therapy--and a way to reclaim lives.""

EMDR mentioned above usually involves alternating eye movements left-right guided by a therapist to emulate REM sleep's capacity to process trauma -- but while a person is awake and guiding their own thoughts into past traumatic experiences. A self-help version of EMDR is discussed by David Busch, which he makes available via an audio-based process involving alternating the left-right balance of music listened to with stereo headphones:
"A Self-Help Version of EMDR Could Make Healing from Trauma Easier"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.madinamerica.com%2F2...
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fse-rem.com%2F

Comment Evolutionary psychology of religion (Wikipedia) (Score 1) 181

To support your point: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...
And from: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...
"The evolutionary psychology of religion is the study of religious belief using evolutionary psychology principles. It is one approach to the psychology of religion. As with all other organs and organ functions, the brain's functional structure is argued to have a genetic basis, and is therefore subject to the effects of natural selection and evolution. Evolutionary psychologists seek to understand cognitive processes, religion in this case, by understanding the survival and reproductive functions they might serve. ... Scientists generally agree with the idea that a propensity to engage in religious behavior evolved early in human history. However, there is disagreement on the exact mechanisms that drove the evolution of the religious mind. There are two schools of thought. One is that religion itself evolved due to natural selection and is an adaptation, in which case religion conferred some sort of evolutionary advantage. The other is that religious beliefs and behaviors, such as the concept of a protogod,[2][3] may have emerged as by-products of other adaptive traits without initially being selected for because of their own benefits.[4][5][6] A third suggestion is that different aspects of religion require different evolutionary explanations but also that different evolutionary explanations may apply to several aspects of religion. Religious behavior often involves significant costsâ"including economic costs, celibacy, dangerous rituals, or the expending of time that could be used otherwise. This would suggest that natural selection should act against religious behavior unless it or something else causes religious behavior to have significant advantages. ..."

Although, what some might call religion, others might call (or perhaps distinguish parts as) culture or memetics or such... As an example:
"a search on: Ethics without God"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F%3Fq%3Dethi...

A complex topic (including related to limits and shortcuts of human cognition, potential memetic parasites, and things like evolutionary "sexual selection" and so on).

Also, as I had written years ago, there is nothing like a life lived in existential angst (including from metaphysical uncertainty) to decrease your fecundity... Although, on the other hand, then there are militant political aspects:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fallthetropes.org%2Fwiki%2F...
"Gordon Dickson's Dorsai series has the Friendlies, on the planets Harmony and Association, exemplify this trope. The planets constantly have wars between the various sects. Oh, the Friendlies are also hired out as Cannon Fodder Mercs, their only major export."

And also other issues related to divisions:
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FChris...
"Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over."

So, pros and cons to everything taken to an extreme...

And also a question of personal moral virtue whatever our situation or whatever we think we can read into the world from ecology and evolution... As Professor Larry Slobodkin said in a seminar I participated in on the philosophy of ecology and evolution, (paraphrasing), even if every example we can find in nature shows one common behavior pattern, we as humans are still moral beings and can make our own decisions about how to act.

Comment Re:The best pope yet. (Score 1) 181

Indeed, Pope Francis was an amazing human being and truly the "People's Pope" as the article mentions. Also, much respect for someone of his situation who would say "Who am I to judge?"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncronline.org%2Ffran...
"Asked whether there is an opposition between truth and mercy, or doctrine and mercy, the pontiff responds: "I will say this: mercy is real; it is the first attribute of God." "Theological reflections on doctrine or mercy may then follow, but let us not forget that mercy is doctrine," says the pope. "Even so, I love saying: mercy is true.""

Also he was ahead of the game on dealing with the social consequences of AI and other automation:
"Pope calls for consideration of 'universal basic wage' for unprotected workers"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vaticannews.va%2Fen%2F...

And: "Pope Francis Warns World's Wealthy About 'Pure Greed'"
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fpope-...
"Pope Francis has called for higher taxes for billionaires, saying it is often the wealthiest members of society who oppose social justice "out of pure greed." The 87-year-old leader of the Catholic church also renewed his calls for a Universal Basic Income (UBI) that would award everybody a guaranteed monthly payment, regardless of their employment situation. "Wealth is made to be shared, to create and promote fraternity," he told a meeting of various grassroots organizations gathered from five continents on Friday. ... Speaking at the Vatican's WMPM event on Friday, the Independent Catholic News website reported that the pope said: "We all depend on the poor, even the rich... Unfortunately, it is often the wealthiest who oppose the realization of social justice or integral ecology, out of pure greed... Accumulation is not virtuous. Distribution is. Jesus did not accumulate; He multiplied.""

Comment One more thing to throw on the fire (1999) (Score 1) 61

by me: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fg%2Fvi...
====
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: DARPA Progam Manager Position
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:41:32 -0500
From: Paul Fernhout
Organization: Kurtz-Fernhout Software
To: n...@darpa.mil

N... L...
Human Resources Director
DARPA

Dear Mr. L...:

The description of "Working as a DARPA Manager"
http://www.darpa.mil/body/info...
sounds like a possible vehicle for something I want to accomplish
related to my perception of the USA's core defense needs.

I am writing to express my interest in pursuing a position under section
1101 of the Strom Thurmond National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal
Year 1999
http://www.darpa.mil/body/hiri...
as a DARPA Program Manager with the mission to support efforts to create
decentralized self-replicating and self-repairing systems and related
technology and infrastructure (including knowledgebases and analysis
tools). The most similar current work at DARPA is probably the Agile
Manufacturing Initiative of the Defense Sciences Office.
http://www.darpa.mil/dso/rd/Ma...

Around 1979, I was selected for a Navy Science Award, which came with a
handsome leather briefcase I still use. This was for a
computer-controlled robot I developed in high school. Since then, I have
continued to remain interested in robotics and advanced manufacturing
technology, and their implications for our society and its military.
These interests led to experiences ranging from spending time with
roboticists at CMU such as Red Whittaker and Hans Moravec, to developing
one of the first 2D kinematic simulations of self-replicating robots in
a sea of parts (around 1987), to exploring new methods of knowledge
representation (similar to William Kent's ideas in his book "Data &
Reality").

I agree with Hans Moravec on several points; one of them is the
implications of this chart:
http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm...
showing the likelihood of human level computers for $1000 by around
2020. The effects on our society of such systems will be profound.
Around the time children conceived now are entering college, superior
intellects
might be purchasable for a fraction of a year's college tuition (and
further, those machine intellects may even be controlling robots with
superior physical manipulation skills). This means a fundamental
discontinuity in our economic system. And that means a huge risk of
disruption and chaos as today's dreams collide with tomorrow's realities
-- both at home and abroad.

Out of those technology interests and other interests in arms control,
ecology, and evolutionary biology has come my belief that there is a
need to create a radically decentralized and dispersed industrial
capability, capable of surviving future wars and disasters and of
supporting human survival. And further, this capability should be
capable of supporting "survival with style" (to borrow a phrase from
author Jerry Pournelle).

The uncertainty surrounding Y2K shows the depth of our current potential
vulnerability -- that we know so little about how things are made and
distributed that we could not even properly assess our vulnerability to
disruptions. Further, another indication of the vulnerability is that we
need to rely on interdiction to stop terrorism related to
infrastructure, as opposed to having systems so resilient they resist
such acts and actively repair themselves.

Albert Einstein said, "With the advent of the atomic bomb, everything
has changed but our thinking." The arms race cannot be won. It is the
greatest enemy. It is almost certain that advanced nuclear, chemical,
biological, kinetic, and informational weapons will be used in the
twenty first century. In addition, advanced research into intelligent
robotics for defense and industrial purposes will almost surely produce
a competitive life form to humanity (however unintentionally, because of
the reality of evolutionary dynamics).

What can the DARPA and the United States military do to defend against
these threats? Such threats simply cannot be handled by preparing to win
the last war. They cannot even be handled by preparing to win any war.
Our only true defense is in changing the nature of the game. We could
instead deploy systems that can create faster than other systems can
destroy. This is the defensive strategy of algae and duckweed -- to
simply grow faster than it can be consumed.

I know it is difficult to conceive of systems that can grow faster than
H-bombs can reduce them to ruble. I believe this is possible in the long
term through self-replicating technology widely dispersed throughout the
planet and space -- in much the same way duckweed on a lake can easily
persist despite hundreds of ducks eating millions of individual duckweed
plants daily.

We of course need to minimize military tensions around the world through
arms control, international aid, and setting a good example. This
delays the culmination of these other trend to war, but in my opinion
will not prevent them because of ever-present potential for a small
group of unstable people to use weapons of mass destruction. That work
for peace must be done because it is the right thing to do. However,
others more qualified for this work than I are already engaged in this
and so I
don't see it as the best use of my time or technical skills. If such
efforts succeed, we may see the end result of the arms race as
co-evolution and symbiosis, which is the outcome of many evolutionary
arms races.

I see my role as preparing for the worst (yet doing so in a way that has
short term positive effects). If we assume that the end result of the
arms race will be catastrophic warfare amidst economic chaos, as well as
the inadvertent creation of a hostile machine intelligence, the only
possible defense is decentralization and diaspora. This requires
extensive advance development and planning if we are to have much hope
of survival, given the wide-ranging destructive capabilities of modern
weapon systems capable of poisoning the biosphere, as well as the future
capabilities of weapons and threats as yet only envisioned in science
fiction.
http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/...

Specifically, to ensure survival and defend against the potential
consequences of modern warfare and terrorism, we need to:
* create a knowledgebase of manufacturing techniques, assembly
instructions, failure probabilities, and related information,
* create software tools which can use that knowledgebase to adapt
technology for terrain-specific needs -- including an arbitrary degree
of closure and self-reliance,
* create collaborative processes and licenses whereby many researchers
and other interested individuals can contribute to the creation of this
technology,
* explore manufacturing issues using the knowledgebase and tools to be
able to identify key missing or bottleneck processes,
* create new and more versatile manufacturing and materials processing
techniques (like MEMS and nanotechnology) to address critical needs for
increasing the ability of systems to self-replicate and to self-repair,
* create robust control systems for such processes,
* create a (miniature) factory system or tool set that can be used with
that knowledgebase, to be capable of a high degree of self-replication
using locally available materials and power sources,
* test and refine such actual factories and tool sets,
* train people in the operation of these systems, and
* deploy these systems in a wide variety of environments (desert, ocean,
underground, urban, rural, arctic, air, space).

In short, we could change manufacturing engineering from a hodgepodge of
how-to information and plans scattered throughout thousands of
individual organizations and obscure patents into a consolidated body of
knowledge, accessible on-line securely anywhere at anytime. A system
like the IBM patent server shows just the beginning of what such a
system will someday be like: http://www.patents.ibm.com/

I believe the ultimate survival value of these self-replicating
technologies will be most realized when they are deployed in space and
capable of duplicating themselves from sunlight and asteroidal ore, as
was first proposed by J.D. Bernal around 1928. You can see a rough
attempt in this direction by me at:
http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/...
Of course, such technologies, if deployed well for civilian purposes
across the globe, may also have a side effect or reducing many of the
material causes of war.

There are of course negative implications of this approach to defense
through increased resiliency via self-replicating systems. One is the
widespread ability to fabricate and maintain weapons systems using this
distributed manufacturing capability. Another is widespread economic
impacts from use this technology, both in the United States and abroad.
It is likely an entire system of (international) laws will need to arise
to govern the use of such technology, which will lead to its own set of
conflicts. Still, in balance I believe the net outcome of developing
this technology as far as "survival with style" will be positive.

I also don't think we have a significant choice. Such self-replicating
and self-repairing systems will be developed eventually anyway, if only
from commercial competitive pressures. The only thing we can do is slow
down their development. Yet that has its own risks of our current
infrastructure being overwhelmed by current weapons of mass destruction
or sophisticated terrorism. Also, should such self-replicating
technology be developed first clandestinely by an oppressive regime, the
consequences for the United States could be disastrous.

The development of flexible computer-enhanced manufacturing started with
funding from the Navy in the 1950s for CNC tools. The development of
self-repairing and self-replicating systems is in some ways the ultimate
extension of that trend, in the same way the World Wide Web and the
civilian Internet is the ultimate extension of the early Arpanet.

My only interest in a position at DARPA is to pursue the above vision,
ideally by getting many people from industry, academia, and the general
public involved in doing the research and development needed for such
systems. As you can probably guess, I have no wish to advance the arms
race to the next level by activities such as developing the next
generation of advanced weapons, since I think ultimately that strategy
of defense provides a false sense of security and will fail (with
disastrous
consequences given even the weapons of just twenty years ago).

My resume is enclosed for your consideration.
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