Comment Re:IT vs. Management: What is the point spread? (Score 2, Insightful) 562
>you are forgetting exactly how much management subordinates/discredits/undervalues/detests/fears us.
I've dealt with my share of PHBs, and have worked at companies that make Dilbert's office look sane and friendly, but I still think this is an unfair and unhelpful generalization.
SOME managers are ineffective, stupid, and hostile, as well as bigoted specifically against IT geeks. I'd even concede that a LOT of them are. But not ALL of them. And not even all of them at a bad company.
If there truly are no managers at any level of your company who will listen to good ideas when you have them to offer, then "get your resume back out there" is truly the only sensible advice. But if you're simply _assuming_ that no managers will listen to you enough for your ideas to be implemented and have an obvious positive effect, then I'd say the problem is not with your management but with your attitude.
As for the issue of dealing with known-bad managers in between you and the (as yet hypothetical) good ones you find and present ideas to...well, I'd avoid saying anything to specifically antagonize them, but don't hold back on your tech advice out of fear.
I've dealt with my share of PHBs, and have worked at companies that make Dilbert's office look sane and friendly, but I still think this is an unfair and unhelpful generalization.
SOME managers are ineffective, stupid, and hostile, as well as bigoted specifically against IT geeks. I'd even concede that a LOT of them are. But not ALL of them. And not even all of them at a bad company.
If there truly are no managers at any level of your company who will listen to good ideas when you have them to offer, then "get your resume back out there" is truly the only sensible advice. But if you're simply _assuming_ that no managers will listen to you enough for your ideas to be implemented and have an obvious positive effect, then I'd say the problem is not with your management but with your attitude.
As for the issue of dealing with known-bad managers in between you and the (as yet hypothetical) good ones you find and present ideas to...well, I'd avoid saying anything to specifically antagonize them, but don't hold back on your tech advice out of fear.
