Which is nonsense. There is nothing new under the sun. People have been kicking off interactions to complex to fully imagine all possible outcomes for as long as we have had laws, and the law has had approaches to assigning responsibility anyway.

Say you are back country camping in a national park. You absolutely can be held responsible if your campfire gets out of control and you start a forest fire, and you are found to have acted 'carelessly'. Even if you had a back country permit, and even if the park rules allow campfires.

We are not in uncharted territory here as how to apply standards like negligence. We may very well have gaps in our current law where various hacking and electronic abuse laws don't cover a negligent mens rea, but that could be easily fixed. It just takes little amendment to change a 'knowingly' to 'negligently' and its fixed. What we lack is a public will to hold these people accountable for anything. This is I think why they are so desperate to go public even while their actual financials SUCK...They want to cerement themselves as TBTF entities.

Sometimes the worst port of incident response is the responders not knowing when to just STFU.

Honestly what a statement to make. Nobody breaks into a system exfils and bunch of records without authorization without some intention to miss use the information. I guess there is a edge case where it is 'just a stunt' or part of some pentest/proof of concept exercise, in the latter case though it isn't an incident and is authorized just not thru ordinary procedure.

All saying you have no indication the information has been miss used is really saying is - it is absolutely being used against us (collectively) or our personnel individually AND we don't have the intelligence capability to identify how or whom specifically..

This is worth a mod up ^

5k is a heck of a lot of headcount for what Mongo seems to have in terms of scope of product offerings and support services.

 

Slave labor in the developing world helps keep prices down as well.

Son, you would take 10k.... you already sold out
And its clear you have no idea the harm being done to locals.
Wonder why they havent put a data center next to you yet.

Oh yeah? How is googles "do no harm" going?
This is just corporate speak for "please dont regulate us", which we absolutely should.

Yeah, the statement is a fallacy to perpetuate a narrative that we should all be dependent on Oligarchs instead.
If we arent careful, our life will be subscription run.

Making claims without valid data.
Truth is, there is a concerted push to be dependent on tech bros technology, including thumbing the scale on economy and things like Vehicle insurance.
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Let me remind you Insurance companies are for profit. If they want to keep their job, they will not price themselves outside of the market.
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It took us 100 years after the first electric vehicle, so based off of that vaguely relative point... 100 years?

they is contextually related to who is abusing the system to cause the uproar.
Which would be the LEOs

At minimum people have a duty of self care. Why are they expecting others to do that job for them!

I am not even arguing we should not help in hard cases, from both a policy and an ethical standpoint. However suggesting the in-action someone makes us responsible for those outcomes is insane.

Every type of law enforcement ever, has killed an innocent or two; especially in situations where people are protesting the law and large numbers of people are propagandized into obstructing law enforcement. ICE has a pretty damn good record here actually all things considered.

If you want to assign responsibility for these deaths, maybe take a hard look at the policy, organizations, media, legal system, prior executives who created a situation where we had massive numbers of people in unresolved extra legal status and allowed that problem to continue compounding for three decades. That is not party thing, either plenty of inaction under Bush etc to point at. Here is the dirty little secret about the who immigration conversation. Self interested liars who have a lot of media influence keep claiming Trump is the on violating the law here, when in fact he is the first person in the last 30 years to actually try to do what the IIRIRA actually requires the federal government to do. The Constitution requires the president to " âoetake care that the laws be faithfully executed", literally Clinton, Bush, and Obama, should constitutionally speaking have faced impeachment and conviction over IIRIRA!

No it hasn't killed a single person, not one. The conditions the locals have allowed to persist in places where USAID formerly was providing whatever...it was providing is what killed those people. Inaction in the form of lack of prevention where it requires concentrated effort and importantly you are not the proximate cause whatever the calamity might be in the first place is not equivalent to acting (killing).

Where was the EU? Where was the CCP? Where was the ANC? Where was OPEC or for that matter Walmart Corporation :-P How come none of them stepped in to fill the gap. What absolves them of culpability?

No one said flock was violating, although one could deem its controls insufficient to track abuse and sue based on that.
The argument was the police use, not flock itself.
Now if flock is insecure (which it is), then it is also liable for leaks and manipulation of facts. The chain of custody is broken by default.

So why are you asking the question?
You dont want to learn, you just want to waste time.

Personal shoppers etc are a thing; but what is different here is the scale.

If Amazon's experience is so bad, that is what that is maybe the market will move to walmart.com; not really the point.

The point is that letting the AI Boys become an intermediary between every enterprise and most people will NOT be a good thing. I am not saying Amazon isnt a bad actor or isnt hypocritical here on a broader context. I am saying that shop keeps of all stripes should be at least free to post a "No Robots Allowed Sign" and have it respected.

Because I don't think we will much care for the outcomes when we have a world where Coca Cola and slip Meta half a a couple hundred million to make sure the next model generally chooses their products when someone asks the AI to ensure the fridge has colas in it. The consequences for the market where there are six or so middle men everywhere won't remain 'free' long.