FINALY!!! Someone actuly relizes that guys like me who do the "grunt" work in the basement actuly know what they're doing. I've gone into COUNTLESS messy racks, rooms, and basements to fix the problems. My fav. tool is a large pair of limbing nippers. I usaly start where the wire dropps out of the celing, then just rip everything out. I HATE a mess, and 9 times out of 10 it's just easier to rebuild it than it is to patch it.