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Journal heliocentric's Journal: Race and the porn industry 24

Warning on potential bias: I have worked in the porn industry. Sorry ladies and banky, not as a stripper but as a photographer.

Ok, I totally believe that when hiring for things like office, construction, and factory jobs decisions should never be based on race, gender, religion, or such silly things like shoe size. I hate quotas but I do think everyone should have an equal opportunity. The same goes for schools, as schools should not factor race into their decisions about student selection. I don't think companies should be required to interview people of varying ethnic backgrounds just to meet some criteria*. I don't think companies should be forced to hire one person over another, nor should they be allowed to make decisions based on factors that do not truly reflect worker ability.

But...

How about when race has everything to do with your job? Take modeling as an example. If a company wishes to market a product towards different ethnic groups then shouldn't their selection for models reflect the group they are targeting? I don't want to spend time on the modeling concept; I am merely presenting it as a stepping-stone to get to the bigger concept.

Strippers and the sex industry.

If you look at the majority of porn sales you will see that the products involve white women. More often than not they are blondes, and typically they have non-tiny breasts. I don't know the makeup of the customers so I can't say if the majority of consumers of this product are indeed white males, but who is to say that there isn't a large group with reverse jungle-fever? Thus, the racial makeup of the customers is irrelevant; we need only discuss the demand.

So, knowing this demographic of the porn industry, let's say you were going to open a strip joint and you are looking at candidates for the stripper positions**. This type of job does not need to factor in words per minute, MCSE, PhD, or other dubious certifications and titles, this job is entirely about looks, and race is a factor in looks. I am not saying that there are not beautiful people of all races and all sorts of different lifestyles, but if you want to have a profitable business it might behoove you to target the majority*** of consumers. And it seems the majority of clientele will be most satisfied with white chicks having sizeable breasts.

I said earlier "nor should they be allowed to make decisions based on factors that do not truly reflect worker ability," but isn't this business about a person's ability to get money from a customer? The best way to do that is to reflect what the customer most desires. If you had an employee who didn't match this desired criteria and still brought in as much (or more) than one who did, then you would be a fool not to keep them on. But what if you fire an underperforming employee who wasn't white with big breasts?

Should you be liable for basing hiring/firing/scheduling decisions on race and other body factors when the job is entirely about the employee's body?

If so, should modeling agencies be required to hire the ugly?

Should you be required to hire weak nerds as bouncers, too?

Where do you draw the line?

I don't care if you think porn is immoral, or you make porn your religion, that is irrelevant. This is about the concepts of equality in the work place, and strippers are workers, too.

* - The NFL fines teams that do not at least interview a black person for a coaching position.
** - No pun intended.
*** - I am not talking about the midget on donkey or other niche industries.

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Race and the porn industry

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  • by banky ( 9941 )
    All I'm saying is, I recently ordered volume 14 of "Best Black Asses". This DVD was supposed to be loaded (8 scenes) with hot, wet, nasty sex, with the hottest sistas around!

    This was clearly not the case. Asses #2, #3, and #5 were simply not the best black asses ever. In the case of Ass #4, the sex was not wet; in fact it was obviously dry, as the tube of lubricant was in-frame for the majority of the shot.

    It's hard to maintain the quality and high standards established in earlier volumes; I think if they
  • The NFL is a voluntary association... to compare the NFL's policies to government requirements is fallacious in that regard.

    • The NFL is a voluntary association... to compare the NFL's policies to government requirements is fallacious in that regard.

      I made reference to many unrelated areas and the only way that I bring them together was to disagree with them. Government quotas = wrong. NFL interviewing rules = wrong. Student selection based on non-performance based measurements = wrong. I do not see how I linked them in any other way nor did I make any direct comparisons.

      I agree that to compare them is meaningless, but I do
      • I'm fully of the view that while the NFL is wrong with it's rules, but that it's also wrong to force them to change them.

        • Agreed, it is theirs to do with as they please. However it is my right to comment that I feel it is wrong. The government is a seperate issue, and although we continue to get further and further off topic here I want to point out again that I didn't link the two in this JE.
  • I think it is strange to be against preference since the sex industry is voyeurism 100%. So physical characteristics are the only criteria. And it isn't even an implicit reason, it's the only reason.

    What if some guy took it upon himself to try and get hired at a strip club. What's the point?

    The only reason strip clubs exist is to make money. If they put stripper x out there and there is less business and thus less alcohol and tipping. You can't even pretend it's a Hooters because it isn't a resturant
    • There was something on this that I do not plan to post here and now. I want to do a follow up JE in a couple of days where I'll present what I learned of recently and see if that makes anyone change their mind. So far you're the only person to really present an opinion on the matter so this update may just be for a very small audiance.

      I will tell you that as I presented what I have above I'd think it was stupid, but then this new thing made me wonder and now I am sort of mixed. Hence my asking others wh
    • quotas would bring up another point. it's entirely possible that adult businesses would get criticism for targeting/victimizing an ethnic group. they would be pulling innocent people of [whatever group] onto the dark path.
  • If so, should modeling agencies be required to hire the ugly?

    Should you be required to hire weak nerds as bouncers, too?


    The person still needs to be able to perform the duties required by the position. If thw weak nerd can control a potentially violent, drunk person, then he should get the job. However, if he is a weak nerd with no crowd control skills whatsoever, then he is never in the running for the position.

    As for modelling agents hiring ugly people, some agencies do hire ugly people, because somet
  • *****Grammar Correction*****

    I could be wrong, but I think that you made a mistake here:

    This type of job does need to factor in words per minute, MCSE, PhD, or other dubious certifications and titles, this job is entirely about looks, and race is a factor in looks.

    Shouldn't it be:

    This type of job does

    not need to factor in words per minute, MCSE, PhD, or other dubious certifications and titles, this job is entirely about looks, and race is a factor in looks.

    I'm sure that everybody understood, but I thought

    • I'm sure that everybody understood, but I thought that I would mention it, in case it might make it easier to skim through. I'm not trying to be nitpicky or anything like that.

      Hey, thanks for catching that one! All fixed. My usual crack staff of editors has the night off (probably hitting the strip club to look at cracks and/or staffs).

      Thanks again.
  • In Job Measurement (an industry I work closely with) that's the main question that has to be asked in determing job content.
    Once that criteria is establish, you have a 'model job' but not 'job position'. In other words, you have the basis for a position that someone might fill.
    Current government regulations indicate that if you are a certain size (I think) you must NOT discriminate based on skin color, background, etc.
    Having said that, racial preferences and set-asides are the status quo in spite of the fa
  • 1) I agree with your point that there are beautiful women of every race, but I also agree that this has no relevence on the point you are making.

    2) I loath quotas. I hate that they are necessary. I wish that we could say, "Hey, there are no more quotas!" and minorities would still have the same oportunities that they do now. However, I do not believe that is the case. Too many people in power grew up when black persons were "niggers" and women should stay home and raise a family. I do not believe that

  • Considering I've never been to a strip club (and really don't ever plan to visit one), my thoughts probably mean nothing. . .

    However, I'd say that in a business of this nature, looks are going to be the primary requirement to get a job. This also means you might run into a small unavoidable amount of discrimination.

    I do believe that the porn industry has really cliched the image of a white female with blond hair. For once, I would like to enjoy watching a TV show on TNN (Spike TV for all you new peopl

    • For once, I would like to enjoy watching a TV show on TNN (Spike TV for all you new people) without Pamela Anderson and the twins staring at me.

      Commie.

      Said with love ;->

    • I do believe that the porn industry has really cliched the image of a white female with blond hair. For once, I would like to enjoy watching a TV show on TNN (Spike TV for all you new people) without Pamela Anderson and the twins staring at me.

      Natural redheads and brunettes are *WAY* hotter than bottle blondes.

      In any case there are way more body types and looks that are dead sexy for women than whatever is the current fad in the porn industry, modeling, or Hollywood. Frankly I find many of the supposedly
    • If you look at the majority of porn sales you will see that the products involve white women. More often than not they are blondes, and typically they have non-tiny breasts.

      I do believe that the porn industry has really cliched the image of a white female with blond hair.

      This reminds me of the question of why are there more Country Music radio stations in the country than any other type of music. The answer, Country music is the lowest common denometer. Why is there so much crap on Top 40 Radio, beca

  • My personal opinion is that if the specification of race can be legitimately documented as a job requirement, then race can be used as a deciding factor. Take for instance Hollywood, I doubt many people would go to see a movie about Malcom X [imdb.com] with a white guy [imdb.com] playing the lead role. The problem is that there is always wiggle room or gray areas in any statute. The last most people would want to see is race being used in cases where it really doesn't matter. For instance Hooters [hooters.com] should have openings for just "
    • I think there are specific exemptions to most anti-discrimination statutes for things like movies/TV/theater/modeling.

      As for union rules, perhaps SAG or Equity could be a model for porn actors and strippers?
  • So I can honestly say I have only been watching porn for the past year. I have noticed the main stream as well as the nitch. Never been to a strip club so I can't comment on that first hand.

    I think you should be able to pick people based on looks and everything that makes up looks. You are selling your body and thus what makes your body look good.

    Look at amature and professional high school cheerleading squads. Take the case of the Russian Ballet dancer. There are weight limits on these sports. Get

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