Journal heliocentric's Journal: Race and the porn industry 24
Warning on potential bias: I have worked in the porn industry. Sorry ladies and banky, not as a stripper but as a photographer.
Ok, I totally believe that when hiring for things like office, construction, and factory jobs decisions should never be based on race, gender, religion, or such silly things like shoe size. I hate quotas but I do think everyone should have an equal opportunity. The same goes for schools, as schools should not factor race into their decisions about student selection. I don't think companies should be required to interview people of varying ethnic backgrounds just to meet some criteria*. I don't think companies should be forced to hire one person over another, nor should they be allowed to make decisions based on factors that do not truly reflect worker ability.
But...
How about when race has everything to do with your job? Take modeling as an example. If a company wishes to market a product towards different ethnic groups then shouldn't their selection for models reflect the group they are targeting? I don't want to spend time on the modeling concept; I am merely presenting it as a stepping-stone to get to the bigger concept.
Strippers and the sex industry.
If you look at the majority of porn sales you will see that the products involve white women. More often than not they are blondes, and typically they have non-tiny breasts. I don't know the makeup of the customers so I can't say if the majority of consumers of this product are indeed white males, but who is to say that there isn't a large group with reverse jungle-fever? Thus, the racial makeup of the customers is irrelevant; we need only discuss the demand.
So, knowing this demographic of the porn industry, let's say you were going to open a strip joint and you are looking at candidates for the stripper positions**. This type of job does not need to factor in words per minute, MCSE, PhD, or other dubious certifications and titles, this job is entirely about looks, and race is a factor in looks. I am not saying that there are not beautiful people of all races and all sorts of different lifestyles, but if you want to have a profitable business it might behoove you to target the majority*** of consumers. And it seems the majority of clientele will be most satisfied with white chicks having sizeable breasts.
I said earlier "nor should they be allowed to make decisions based on factors that do not truly reflect worker ability," but isn't this business about a person's ability to get money from a customer? The best way to do that is to reflect what the customer most desires. If you had an employee who didn't match this desired criteria and still brought in as much (or more) than one who did, then you would be a fool not to keep them on. But what if you fire an underperforming employee who wasn't white with big breasts?
Should you be liable for basing hiring/firing/scheduling decisions on race and other body factors when the job is entirely about the employee's body?
If so, should modeling agencies be required to hire the ugly?
Should you be required to hire weak nerds as bouncers, too?
Where do you draw the line?
I don't care if you think porn is immoral, or you make porn your religion, that is irrelevant. This is about the concepts of equality in the work place, and strippers are workers, too.
* - The NFL fines teams that do not at least interview a black person for a coaching position.
** - No pun intended.
*** - I am not talking about the midget on donkey or other niche industries.
Well (Score:2)
This was clearly not the case. Asses #2, #3, and #5 were simply not the best black asses ever. In the case of Ass #4, the sex was not wet; in fact it was obviously dry, as the tube of lubricant was in-frame for the majority of the shot.
It's hard to maintain the quality and high standards established in earlier volumes; I think if they
Re:Well (Score:1)
Re: the NFL (Score:2)
The NFL is a voluntary association... to compare the NFL's policies to government requirements is fallacious in that regard.
Re: the NFL (Score:1)
I made reference to many unrelated areas and the only way that I bring them together was to disagree with them. Government quotas = wrong. NFL interviewing rules = wrong. Student selection based on non-performance based measurements = wrong. I do not see how I linked them in any other way nor did I make any direct comparisons.
I agree that to compare them is meaningless, but I do
Re: the NFL (Score:2)
I'm fully of the view that while the NFL is wrong with it's rules, but that it's also wrong to force them to change them.
Re: the NFL (Score:1)
Was there a recent ruling on this? (Score:2)
What if some guy took it upon himself to try and get hired at a strip club. What's the point?
The only reason strip clubs exist is to make money. If they put stripper x out there and there is less business and thus less alcohol and tipping. You can't even pretend it's a Hooters because it isn't a resturant
Re:Was there a recent ruling on this? (Score:1)
I will tell you that as I presented what I have above I'd think it was stupid, but then this new thing made me wonder and now I am sort of mixed. Hence my asking others wh
Re:Was there a recent ruling on this? (Score:1)
Thoughts... (Score:2)
Should you be required to hire weak nerds as bouncers, too?
The person still needs to be able to perform the duties required by the position. If thw weak nerd can control a potentially violent, drunk person, then he should get the job. However, if he is a weak nerd with no crowd control skills whatsoever, then he is never in the running for the position.
As for modelling agents hiring ugly people, some agencies do hire ugly people, because somet
Grammar Correction & Point of View (Score:2)
I could be wrong, but I think that you made a mistake here:
Shouldn't it be:
I'm sure that everybody understood, but I thought
Re:Grammar Correction & Point of View (Score:1)
Hey, thanks for catching that one! All fixed. My usual crack staff of editors has the night off (probably hitting the strip club to look at cracks and/or staffs).
Thanks again.
Why does the job exist? (Score:1)
Once that criteria is establish, you have a 'model job' but not 'job position'. In other words, you have the basis for a position that someone might fill.
Current government regulations indicate that if you are a certain size (I think) you must NOT discriminate based on skin color, background, etc.
Having said that, racial preferences and set-asides are the status quo in spite of the fa
Re:Why does the job exist? (Score:1)
My utmost pitty for the chicken.
Comments... (Score:2)
2) I loath quotas. I hate that they are necessary. I wish that we could say, "Hey, there are no more quotas!" and minorities would still have the same oportunities that they do now. However, I do not believe that is the case. Too many people in power grew up when black persons were "niggers" and women should stay home and raise a family. I do not believe that
not that I would know. . . (Score:1)
Considering I've never been to a strip club (and really don't ever plan to visit one), my thoughts probably mean nothing. . .
However, I'd say that in a business of this nature, looks are going to be the primary requirement to get a job. This also means you might run into a small unavoidable amount of discrimination.
I do believe that the porn industry has really cliched the image of a white female with blond hair. For once, I would like to enjoy watching a TV show on TNN (Spike TV for all you new peopl
Re:not that I would know. . . (Score:1)
Commie.
Said with love ;->
Re:not that I would know. . . (Score:2)
Natural redheads and brunettes are *WAY* hotter than bottle blondes.
In any case there are way more body types and looks that are dead sexy for women than whatever is the current fad in the porn industry, modeling, or Hollywood. Frankly I find many of the supposedly
Re:not that I would know. . . (Score:2)
I do believe that the porn industry has really cliched the image of a white female with blond hair.
This reminds me of the question of why are there more Country Music radio stations in the country than any other type of music. The answer, Country music is the lowest common denometer. Why is there so much crap on Top 40 Radio, beca
job requirements (Score:2)
Re:job requirements (Score:2)
As for union rules, perhaps SAG or Equity could be a model for porn actors and strippers?
new to the porn thing (Score:1)
I think you should be able to pick people based on looks and everything that makes up looks. You are selling your body and thus what makes your body look good.
Look at amature and professional high school cheerleading squads. Take the case of the Russian Ballet dancer. There are weight limits on these sports. Get