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Comment Re:Nobody here is preaching against tech but you (Score 1) 49

It's more likely that he's speaking out against what he feels is the de-humanization of culture and mankind at the hands of AI

Historically, the church's record has not been so great. Recently they have promoted more positivity, which is nice, but they're still keeping a shit ton of unacceptable secrets about people harming people. They're also sitting on a lot of stolen wealth. Let's see them practice what they preach before we're expected to take that preaching seriously.

Comment Re:Nobody here is preaching against tech but you (Score 1) 49

That's because the image of a Luddite is a thought terminating cliche. It's something specifically designed to prevent you from questioning technology by terminating any thought about the impacts of technology.

That's why I like to regularly remind people that the Luddites weren't just about smashing things because they liked smashy smashy, the premise was that the increases in productivity from machinery should benefit humanity and not only the owning class, because of the effects on employment.

The Luddites were having exactly the same argument we're having now, and as it turns out, they were right. Also, the side argument is the same now as it was then, except then they were arguing about steam engines burning coal, and we're now arguing about natural gas turbines.

When someone says Luddite, say fuck yeah! Here's to the fucking Luddites!

Comment Re:That is called fraud (Score 1) 82

Yeah liabilities *always* transfer with the business, especially if it leaves the seller unable to satisfy those liabilities. You cant phoenix assets. period.

This company really has only two options here. Either honour the contract, or refund it.

The vpn company may well be on the hook for not telling the buyer about those lifetime contracts but thats the customer is a third party to that dispute. They have an absolute right to not have the holder of their contract not default on it, without redress.

Comment Re:I cannot see this stopping the AI spiders (Score 1) 195

You shouldn't have to resort to cleverness and effort to find this out. AI training bots should log the URLs they ingest, and anyone should be able to query those logs to see if their site has been used to train the model. Given the vast sums companies are spending on training their models, the marginal effort of maintaining a public log wouldn't add any significant cost, other than the litigation costs they'll face when sites discover their TOSs have been violated.

Comment Re:I cannot see this stopping the AI spiders (Score 1) 195

The whole "move fast break things" ethos counts on creating a new status quo faster than regulatory bodies can respond. Tech startups rely on creating a fait accompli before government even notices the problem, but if they fail in that a well-funded company has recourse to deceptive PR, then lobbying, then lawyers to gum up the works. In AI, companies are already racing each other as fast as obscene gobs of money can propel them forward; it wouldn't take much to slow down any public regulatory response so that it will have to be mounted against the winner of that race, a company that will be in a much more commanding position to fight back.

In the meantime your hypothetical whistleblowing engineer probably is compensated to a substantial degree with stock options, and his continued employment prospects after ratting out his company are bleak in an industry where everyone is doing the same thing.

I'm not saying its impossible, but I'm a lot more pessimistic than you about it being *easy*. I suspect that enabling private actors to move against AI companies would be a lot faster. Since damages are hard to prove or quantify, simply creating statutory damages would allow intellectual property owners to take the initiative against infringing AI systems. It would help if there were transparency regulations which aided IP owners in detecting unauthorized training. Of course the downside is the volume of litigation that would follow.

Comment You said (Score 0) 49

Quote "Religion has been preaching against technological progress since as long as there's been religion".

In other words you're implying that the only solution is to burn the machines. In this case technically you are implying that the pope is the one offering that solution. But he's not. Neither am I.

The pope is just saying that machines need to be used in a way that uplifts all of humanity.

You immediately go to the idea that anyone who questions technological unemployment and negative impacts from technological advancement is opposed to technology.

It doesn't matter if they're religious or not (personally I'm an atheist).

Also for fucks sake you're just wrong. The Catholic church has all sorts of fucked up beliefs about abortion that are just scientifically wrong, the same for homosexuality and transsexuality.

But when it comes to every other area of science they're pretty damn good. In fact sometimes they're too good. At one point one of the popes was going to declare the Big bang and the science behind it to be part of their Canon but the guy who came up with the science asked the pope not to because science should not be something people are ordered to believe. And the Pope being the Pope agreed.

This isn't to say that historically the Catholic Church doesn't have problems with science. And Jesus fucking Christ American evangelicals are terrifying. Those guys want to burn down science.

But again to get back to my point the pope at no point in time criticized the technology they criticized the application of the technology and how it's going to be used to make everybody's lives worse.

And you can't even see that because you can't imagine technology being used for anything other than hurting people at this point. And at the same time you think it's morally wrong to oppose technology.

You see what I mean when I say you're not thinking. You got to jumble of ideas and thoughts in your head that you haven't taken the time to unpack and then you come to the internet and this website and you just start barfing them out and they're a huge mess.

And the problem is guys like you don't just barf your ideas out on stupid forums you also vote. There are real world consequences to the fact that you haven't actually reflected on any of the things you've been told in your life and what they actually mean.

Comment Nobody here is preaching against tech but you (Score 0, Troll) 49

You're doing the same thing to the Pope that everybody here on this damn website does to me. Even when I called you out in my original post for doing it.

Your brain is too locked down so you can't think of any other solution besides burning the machines. At no point did me or the pope say that we wanted to do that but your brain automatically inserts that solution without any thought.

That's because the image of a Luddite is a thought terminating cliche. It's something specifically designed to prevent you from questioning technology by terminating any thought about the impacts of technology.

And even when I pointed out to you you're completely incapable of realizing that you're doing it. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Maybe if I used puppets...

Comment Everything you said is wrong (Score 1) 53

First things first automation took 70% of the manufacturing jobs. Only 30% of them were lost overseas.

Next we took the national debt and our military strength and used that to artificially prop up the dollar making it the world's reserve currency.

This means an American dollar can buy a lot more imports than it really should be able to.

This means we get to bring in trillions of dollars worth of consumer goods and raw materials and heavy machinery for a fraction of the price and use those goods to artificially raise our standard of living. You couldn't really afford to have 70% of Americans driving big honking SUVs without that shit. We would have to, gasp, have walkable cities in public transportation. Ew.

You are a classic libertarian twat. Like the old joke about house cats unaware and unappreciative of a system they do not understand. Only at least a house cat is kind of cute and funny.

I'm not asking you to have a strong grasp of our economic system but for fucks sakes can you please learn the basics before you vote again? I really don't think that's too much to ask anymore.

Oh and for fuck sakes again, go look up how high interest rates are designed to cause recessions and mass layoffs. That's another aspect of our system I really really wish guys like you would understand. And I am way too tired to educate you further

Comment It's not stronger than the 77 million idiots (Score 0) 53

Who couldn't be bothered to look up what a tariff was before voting for a guy with 34 felony convictions, 26 credible rape accusations, who hands out classified documents at his golf course like party favors.

If I had one wish to the Almighty I would ask for everyone on the planet to be given an extra 100 IQ points and for their kids to keep those IQ points. This thing where people cannot locate and process legitimate and real information is going to doom us all.

Comment Holy shit he's right (Score 3, Interesting) 49

And I mean holy shit literally.

Technological unemployment was a major problem during the two industrial revolutions. It created an enormous amount of social stress and upheaval. They don't teach you about this in high school history. About how we had decades of unemployment following the two industrial revolutions until a combination of new tech and dead working age males got us back to full employment.

If you think the rich and the ruling class haven't realized that they are dependent on you as consumers think again. They are not at all happy that they need you to buy their products to maintain their lifestyles and they are eagerly anticipating the day when a combination of military drones and automated factories can produce everything they personally want and they can relegate us to the kind of reservations we stuffed the indigenous people on

Notice I'm not suggesting any solutions. I don't have any. The solutions I can come up with humans aren't willing to accept. We aren't going to destroy the machines and we aren't going to do fully automated space communism and we are too simple a species to try and come up with a middle ground.

Honestly as it stands I think in a few decades the mass unemployment is going to mean that the mega corporations preventing India and Pakistan from touching off world war III will be gone. And I suspect we're going to have enough working atomic weapons to make the planet uninhabitable for a species.

Basically we are going to Fermi paradox ourselves the stupidest way imaginable

I'm open to being proven wrong but feel free to suggest a solution that you can get enough people to get behind that we don't just get distracted by whatever current freak out or moral panic is put in front of us this month.

I mean come on, if we don't switch the fascism those 14 trans girls playing field hockey in the Midwest are going to destroy us all right? /s it's either that, violent video games or dungeons and dragons but one of them is going to destroy our civilization right?

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