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I mean, we know why the REALLY choose too - because they know damn well if they lived in a REAL marxist state, their sorry asses would wind up dead in a heartbeat.

But seriously, everything about the USA is so anti-Marxist, right down the very reason why our country came into existance.

Many of our early states started out as theocratic colonies, or at least had state sponsored churces (Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maryland, Pennsylvania, plus some later ones like Utah).

The revolution itself was instigated by rich white male business owners seeking to avoid ever increasing government regulation.

The country has, from day one, run on a capitalist model.

Every single president, starting with George Washington, has persued imperialistic agendas, invading soverign nations, occupying and pacifiying "brown skinned savages", exploiting the natural resources of occupied lands, etc.

What do Marxists want? All religion in society to be obliterated. Evil, white rich business owners to be punished for their success. Capitalism to be replaced by socialism. No more imperialistic wars.

Everything that defines what america is, the marxists here want to wipe out. Everything that has defined the USA from DAY ONE, the marxists want to eradicate.

And yet, they somehow manage to claim they love the USA, just not the politicians de jour that are "representing" them (us)?

No way!

There's nothing about america that marxists love. There NEVER HAS BEEN anything about america for any marxist to love.
Nothing.

If you really hate everything america stands for so much (and you do, don't deny it!), get the hell out and leave the rest of us to our richly deserved fate, 'k?

And don't give us any preachy "morality" non-sense that you're supposedly trying to save us from ourselves, for our own good, of course. I think we'll somehow manage to get along ok without your "help".

Maybe if all the marxists in the US left, they'd have enough of a critical mass to take over the political apparatus of some small country to the point they could implement their utopian ideals.
BWAHAHAHA!!!

Go for it.

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  • Hell, better a thousand Marxists than one Maoist. Now those are the real bastards.
    • I haven't heard much about the Maoists, but the little I have heard isn't pretty. But they're all in a similiar vein - Marxists, socialists, communists, Maoists, Stalinists - it's all just a matter of degree, not of kind.

      A pox on them all!
      • Maoists make Marxists look like vaguely discontented high school liberals.

        Obviously, China was Maoist. So was the Khmer Rouge. The current insurgency in Nepal is Maoist. There was also a group in Indonesia that was Maoist, but it was put down rather violently, as I recall.

        They're vicious bastards.

    • Maoists?
      *pfft*
      SPLINTERS!!!!
    • Wait 'til you get to know the Ethelredists.

      Cheers,

      Ethelred

  • The thing I can't stand about Marxists is the same thing I can't stand about a lot of groups. I don't have a problem with them thinking they know better than I do what's good for me, but their attempts to force their agenda onto everyone else really rubs me the wrong way. I would be just fine if a bunch of people wanted to get together and voluntarily form a marxist commune, but they don't. They view me as part of their collective property and they would happily bayonet me into participating in their worker
  • First answer of course- I was born here, my family has been here 9000 years or so, and you bastards invaded. I'd be happy if the Kwakiutal could gain control again.

    2nd, more important answer: I'm a Marxist CAPITALIST, not a Marxist COMMUNIST. This country stands the best chance of living out Marx's capitalistic theories- but I wouldn't want to because they're 150 years out of date. We'd be better off with Dorthy Day's Capitalistic theories- which are only 50 years out of date.

    What you don't want is th
    • I have an idea! Let's reunite all of western and central europe under an autocratic ruler and call it the Holy Roman Empire. Of course, this will be done in conjuction with Papal support.

      Then maybe we can kick all the slavs and muslims out of Russia, return it to the Swedes and call it Novogorod.

      Then let's put all of central asia and large parts of eastern europe under the rule of descendents of the Golden Horde.

      Maybe we can find some genetic descendents of the Assaryians or Babylons to reclaim leadership
      • I have an idea! Let's reunite all of western and central europe under an autocratic ruler and call it the Holy Roman Empire. Of course, this will be done in conjuction with Papal support.

        Works for me- it would certainly get rid of the moral relativity that seems to have taken hold there! Traditions evolve where they are for a reason- and coming in by force and replacing them with something else rarely works very well.

        Then maybe we can kick all the slavs and muslims out of Russia, return it to the Swede
        • Uh, they were invaders- and just as unsuccessfull as the Europeans in America.

          So i guess that's why indians run casinos on land no-one wanted at the time instead of running this continent. I'd say the european invasion was pretty successful -- just not in the way they planned.

          and since someone brought up rome.. the roman empire (the holy roman empire came much closer to the fall ;)) was in fact a democrocy afer the greecian style a city-state that came to rule an empire, originally under democracy. they ha
          • So i guess that's why indians run casinos on land no-one wanted at the time instead of running this continent. I'd say the european invasion was pretty successful -- just not in the way they planned.

            Where I look at the destruction of local customs, traditions, and the environmental devistation that came from that, and I see it as being horridly unsuccessfull- about to fall down around us. NO is a place where no native tribe would have put a city- it took a French Monarch to do it, for instance.

            america
            • Well, no, we're still in a shadow government phase. the type of connections it takes to become a nominee for president ensures that the people who put you there have a pretty damn good idea of what they think you'll do, and what they think they'll be able to pressure you into. but the problem with shadow governments are people like clinton can still 'sneak through' the cracks. He Was NOT on board for the overall objectives of the orginizations that he was a member of. But he wasn't supposed to win, the p
              • Paranoid nut case. People who want to acheive weath and power can't do those things alone. they build networks of contatcs to acheive the goals they set forth. those networks tend to look like conspiracies and shadow governments, but look at clinton, he climed through that network without having any family ties. He did what he he had to to do what he believed was best for america. It might have been hard to tell that from all the rhetoric, lies, and scandal, but he didn't do all that 'despite' some sha
                • That sucks, It's life, If you're so much better, go fucking be a better person than dubba, and learn the right things and meet the right people, and go fucking make a difference by being better and just radiating that betterness so much so that the people in those orginizations can see past 'hey we owe this guy some favors for his sons.. byut WOW that guy would be a better president! twe can repay his sons some other way, by making them rich etc'

                  One of the first "right things" you need to learn if you're
              • Well, no, we're still in a shadow government phase. the type of connections it takes to become a nominee for president ensures that the people who put you there have a pretty damn good idea of what they think you'll do, and what they think they'll be able to pressure you into. but the problem with shadow governments are people like clinton can still 'sneak through' the cracks. He Was NOT on board for the overall objectives of the orginizations that he was a member of. But he wasn't supposed to win, the prev
    • First answer of course- I was born here, my family has been here 9000 years or so, and you bastards invaded.

      I didn't invade, and neither did my family. And I was born here too.

      2nd, more important answer: I'm a Marxist CAPITALIST, not a Marxist COMMUNIST. This country stands the best chance of living out Marx's capitalistic theories-

      No, because this country values liberty.
      • I didn't invade, and neither did my family. And I was born here too.

        True enough- but the party system and economic system you support unconditionally did.

        No, because this country values liberty.

        Marx's CAPITALISTIC theories REQUIRE liberty. Without the ability to have a true free market and full freedom of information and no secrets, capitalism inevitably becomes a pyramid scheme stealing from the poor to give to the rich. The existance of liberty is NECESSARY to build a worker's paradise- anything l
    • Marxism is materialism. Capitalism is materialism. Although Marxism is not Capitalism, the very idea they both are based upon is the same idea.

      Marx analysed early capitalism and its derived problem and wrote his work Das Kapital. It is our task to analyse the system of capitalism and shed light on the demerit the system itself has then try to find the better answer for it. Indeed your view -combination of Marx and capitalism counts for something.

      • Luckily I'm not the only one- Hugo Chaverez of Venezula has the same idea and has been so wildly successfull that each election he runs in he wins by a larger percentage.

        This is of course horribly dangerous to the right wing, who think in terms of profit instead of humanity.
        • You're not alone my political system I am currently developing is much inline with these ideals . Although I do use Liberal socialism as my base .. and I do admit to being a rather extreme liberal.
          A free market i feel is very important for some things , Also so is state control of infrastructure .
          Though I would like to completely destroy partisan politics , replacing it with an electoral system in which people are actually represented . ..
          A system where each group of 500 people elect a local person as thei
          • I like that idea- espeically since if something really goes wrong, it's actually possible to meet and talk to 5 people.
            • I would also make lobbying illegal . The only voice a representative can listen to is that of their constituents .
              Right now corporations and establishments such as religions have two voices , that of their members and that of the entity .
              Groups who believe in forcing their morals on to us or having their laws passed .This is not democracy it's a new form of aristocracy .
              • Absolutely agreed- and it's the noble class who gets to do so; you need a lot of money to have your voice heard at all right now. They point to the 527s; but on both sides the top two 527s were backed by very rich men (Swift Boat Veterans For Truth were backed by the Waltons and Hiltons, and there was that other millionaire behind MoveOn.org, Soros I think his name is). Not really grass roots at all.
                • Power to the people , no matter who they are . Be they Billionaire CEO's or your average person.
                  Equality is what is needed.
                  Every voice should matter . As it is now there is a rather severe imbalance of power.
                  A person can be silenced in a court of law as they can not afford to defend themselves
                  The average person does not believe they can make a difference , And so they can't.
                  A Self fulfilling prophecy .
                  Until your grass roots start to try to make a difference , these pressure groups funded by the old green
                  • Implied in this JE. Explicit in the title is the question: "Why do Marxists live in the United States?". I believe I've already answered that explicitly above, but my answer raised a second question "Why would a native of the United States be interested in Marxism? What has Marxism got to offer that corporatism doesn't from a standpoint of liberty?".

                    The answer is in the parent to this message- true liberty REQUIRES equality. If, as the Supreme Court has stated, money and speech are one and the same, a
                    • Liberalism has become a bastardised term in the USA , so has Marxism .
                      People equate socialism and liberalism with the warped ideas of the Bolsheviks and the sudo liberals (who are frankly , in my opinion quite authoritarian)

                      I live in the east of Germany right now , What was formally the DDR/GDR .
                      My in-laws and wife were all brought up under that system , It was far from perfect and really missed many of the key points of socialist ideas . You know what though ; what they often say to me is how much happie
          • I came up with that idea years ago. You must have stolen it, since I never told anyone then you must be psychic.
            The problem is that it would be hard to implement.
            Unless it could be done for like a smaller city first. My city of only 300k would work. Like usual, the only thing that prevents it is that the incumbents don't want to give up power and the people won't understand it.
  • Marxist Capitalism is a theocracy. So is Marxist Communism. Read Acts Chapters 4 & 5- that's where ALL of "Uncle Karl's" economic theory was born.

    If anything, you can't be a corporatist and a Christian at the same time- St. Paul said that Christians can not serve Mammon and Christ and do justice to either.
    • Marxist Capitalism is a theocracy. So is Marxist Communism. Read Acts Chapters 4 & 5- that's where ALL of "Uncle Karl's" economic theory was born.

      That's not remotely true. Nothing in Acts talks about *enforcing* a system on people who did not wish to participate in it.

      If anything, you can't be a corporatist and a Christian at the same time- St. Paul said that Christians can not serve Mammon and Christ and do justice to either.

      That's stupid too, as you well know, because I've proven it to you before. M
      • That's not remotely true. Nothing in Acts talks about *enforcing* a system on people who did not wish to participate in it.

        Nothing in EITHER of Uncle Karl's economic systems talks about *enforcing* a system on people who did not wish to participate in it. That was his *political* side. And Dorthy Day's revision doesn't force anything on anybody at all- unless you try to sell in a local market that is not your own, and then you have to pay taxes to that local market to be allowed to sell there.

        But back
    • I'm a Marxist CAPITALIST, not a Marxist COMMUNIST.

      This is your statement earlier. Then,

      Marxist Capitalism is a theocracy. So is Marxist Communism.

      You are Marxist Hacker. I don't know what 42 exactly means, probably assuming the figure has something to do with someone's book, anyway, I wrote in my previous comment that Marxist Capitalism counts for something since both ideas ( Capitalism & Communism ) derives from very basic materialism, it is conspicuous considering the fact that many countries befo

      • Marxist Capitalism ought not to be based on theocracy, but sheer analysis on materialistic reality.

        But actually- that's what makes Marxism different from pure capitalism or pure communism. The added element of Acts 4:32-35-

        [32] And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. [33] And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus:

  • I've toyed with the idea of calling myself a Free Market Socialist*. To me that means simply that society should be organized around the principal that the health of society itself is the overarching goal, and that a free market economy is, all pros and cons considered, the best way to accomplish that. See, to me, the term 'capitalism' implies that Capital is the focusing principle. I've always thought capital (and material goods in general) should be the tool by which you achieve your goals, not the goal i

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