About 4 - 5 thousand, and if you use Linux you can squeeze even more performance out of the hardware. That really means that the Mac Pro at its fully loaded state is marked up about 100% from what is fair, which knowing Apple makes sense.

Coming up with a completely stupid name for a simple pattern doesn't make you a good programmer. The Group of 4 decided they would look at the "common" patterns used in programming and instead of doing something useful, they would just assign them pointless names. Anyone who quotes the Group of 4 with intention of using the names they came up with, generally, isn't a good programmer. A good programmer is busy writing / testing code and doesn't have the time or the need to read and remember books about how to use code patterns or best measures. The aspects you look for in code are as follows:

1. The code is fast, efficient and not bulky.
2. The code is secure.
3. The code is not locked to a single platform.
4. The code is written to complete it's required task and not for style and beauty above function.

If you are focusing on anything else then you aren't programming, you are wasting time and trying to be more then you are. A programmer is a programmer is a programmer, you are not an engineer or any other stupid name / label you want to give yourself. You want to go to programmers hell, simple, read code written by stuck up, over trained, programmers who think they are skilled and have a big mouth.

The number of university students / new grads I've had to fire is kind of shocking. They love to quote pattern names and complain about the use of certain syntax choices and the use of pointers, yet they never turn out usably good code. It's not just university students that have this problem, pretty much anyone who went to post secondary school with the intention of becoming a PROGRAMMER, NOT, SOFTWARE ENGINEER, with have this issue. Your job as a programmer is to turn out good code in a timely manner and once you leave that frame of mind you aren't doing your job. Do that for long enough and you should be fired, regardless of how many theoretical books agree with you, including the Group of 4. If my project was programmed using new age design methodology and methods it would have at least 7x more overhead and run 3x slower then it currently does. No one should put up with slow runtime and greater overhead because a bunch of programmers decided to write a book or many books. Once it runs well it needs to be stable and secure and then I've done my job.

From everything I've seen, and all the first hand account of users on Windows Phone, it's a train wreck. I have yet to actually hear someone rave about it on the same level as the Z10, S3 or iPhone.

Another interesting theory.

I think Microsoft should! Either all browsers should support a standard or not. The Web should be based on standards and what we see time after time is that every browser has its own issues and it's own strange work arounds. This isn't just Microsoft, I think all browsers need to standardize, implement the same libraries and system and globally decide which aspects of HTML and CSS they support. So yes I think Microsoft should make the move.

I had a Unix Teacher in my OS class who didn't know shit about working the shell, he claimed if I can run software on gcc 4.1.2 then it should run on gcc 3.4. He also kept telling the other student retarted ways on how to parce the enviroment varible and shit, stuff you'd have to do in like 1980 but not now, in either case I know almost 200x more then he did about Unix / Linux, which brings up another point, Teachers should be smarter / Guru's in what they teach, if a student knows more then why should there be a teacher ?

Sweet

Microsoft has produced Crap code and now if this code idea works, they owe all of us money. Good news for the real computer enviroments such as Linux. Everything is can now come down, Awesome lets let the real code keep living and the horrible code die

Die Microsoft, Die Microsoft AND I"M NOT A TROLL, I"M A REAL COMPUTER USER, JUST NOT A DUMB ASS WINDOW USER.

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I actually like this post, it makes a good point. Teachers are very on the bottom side of the Texh world. I had teachers in Elementary school that couldn't even use Windows. Come on, how hard is that. I think there should be a bare reqreset for teachers to be at least mid level skilled with tech.

As for the stupid video laws, so what. Teachers should be allowed to show what ever they want to students. Infact students aren't shown enough in class rooms. In one case you go to a Catholic School and your told that every thing else is wrong and horrible to consider such as evolution, or you go to public school and you get a mis represented view on religon.

Here's the solution. Teachers should be allowed to show what ever they want, but they have to be fair on what they show. I got a horrible over view of what Religon is, infact I was told every other Religon was wrong. Of course this is BS. I was also taught facts about tech that were clearly false, for instace I was told how to use a computer and they teachers couldn't even use Windows.

Here's a new idea, lets get properly trained Teachers in the class room and make sure there fully trained in a proper overview in many areas, not what they think is proper overview. I think we seriously need to get better teachers. As for the DVD stuff, come on, Just use a tuner card, rip the video with some sort of Linux software, compress in the data etc... Do all the work required, Get the students to run the video or show it publicly, teach them how your doing it and then whats the harm.

Teachers should be able to show what they want, they should have to use the proper technology to acheive it but non the less free viewing. They should also be trained to teach students better

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I know, I tend not to spell check. Anyway if a normal user can't make use of the computers as a POWER TOOL then they shouldn't make use of it at all

Sure I'm a Developer on my spare time but seriously there could be no harm done in adding a comiler to the system.

If a user wants to do office work we can go back to a dumb terminal and nothing more, why not write laTex documents?, the funny thing is the people that do the office work don't even understand whats going on in the background.

As for using a Mac well I don't know what Windows version you've used but short from Office work and cleaning up after a crash the only other thing you might get in is a game. Which if you ask me if a massive waste in resources.

If you take a look at the modern computers on the market there Multicore, why would you run a system that can't even use the multicore arch properly. Future more computers are coming to the point where we can start to run high level math problems on the desktop computer, it's not longer a job for supers computers.

People that want to say this is all pointless for the average user don't get the point. The average user can't even user there computer. just because you can move a mouse around the screen doesn't mean you can use the computer.

I'm not suggesting everyone goes out an learns assembler but I'm suggesting that anyone that can't be comfortiable in a shell enviroment and at the very least write a small shell script should really be going back to school.

I'm tired of hearing how this is the computer age and yet most of the people I know even coming out of Computer eng programs can only do Windows stuff.

It's simple, if you consider Windows a good OS you need to really take a step back and smack your self. If satan designed an OS he would call it windows cause thats just how bad windows really is

Whats meant by that is that it meets a few requirements. Slim, neat user interface, Crossplat form (Execl fails here) Open Source (MS Fails here) Easy to use

Your right, Windows contains a lot of lines of code and it's horrible, wow your an idiot, if you need 1/2 million lines of code then you need a 1/2 million lines of code. OO is far surpiror then Microsoft Office so i don't know what your talking about in either case your wrong.

This is by far the best Office Suite ever made, finally a company turns out quality for office software. It's cross platform, it's stable and it's free, what gets better!!!!

I like your point, in fact well Windows might be an OS, certainly don't consider it a good one. It has none of what makes an OS effective, Odd how when an OS does have these features it gest a smaller user base. Linux and Unix I'll consider a real OS, this just shows, people who know what there actually doing on the computer are limited in volume compaired to those that don't. AKA the difference between the Windows and GNU Operating systems.

I tried Windows 7 yesturday and I was not impressed. As for it being fast, well it's faster then Vista but not by much. It has some major over all problems.

One of the major "problems" with windows 7 is the graphical interface. I know that is opion alone but come on, The best interface I can think of is home to the Gnome desktop enviroment, I don't see the reason for having so much false. A desktop OS should be slim, fast, configurable and lightweight. the problem with Windows 7 is that it has none of this.

I spent a good 10 min disabling all the pointless enhancemnets that don't serve the user. The best windows interface was easily 98 and then XP. If they would stick to that design I could honestly say Windows would be appealing.

Another massive problem that is retarted is Driver signing, I don't know why this idea exists. It took over 1/2 hour to get my EXT driver installed into windows. The only thing driver signing actually does it make it more diffucult for the use to interact with the system.

Windows 7 takes way to long to install, longer then Vista. I honestly spent a good hour getting Windows 7 to install. I think Microsoft should focus more on the under laying system then the front end. In 100% of cases the best installer is text based. I'm not saying that Microsoft should make a text based installer but they should at least make a slim installer.

The most fusturating part of the new Windows 7 experiance, it blue screens. Blue screen is an excuse for "Oh we don't know how to make kernel, so here reboot".

I must say over all Microsoft should really start looking to make Windows a slim, quick OS rather then a UI based OS. I got to say Vista was the worst and from what I've experanced Windows 7 dosesn't bring anything more to the table.

Now on the tech end of things, there are alot of improvments MS could add to Windows to help out the User base. For one adding proper file system support, well many 3rd party add on drivers exist I think MS could help out the Linux / Unix community by adding in native Resier and Ext support. I don't know how many installs I have to take time to find the right kind of driver only to find it's not supported or because of MS BS I can't install it. Ext and Resier are very popular and extremely well built file systems, more so then NTFS.

They have to rebuild the retarted GUI, effective GUI is simply, Slim, fast, and build like a rock. The best enviroment ever the Gnome project does the desktop comunity proud, I think MS should take a look toward is instead of trying to be all flash and no actual help to the user.

Shell access, well MS does provide "shell" access though command prompt it wouldn't hurt them to get a proper shell, maybe port a bash shell or an sh shell to allow a real poweruser quick access to applications and services.

Built in C compiler and linker. I don't know why they don't have this built in. One of the great powers of an OS should be the quick access to built in development tools, Linux / Unix has gcc, cc, ld etc.... Windows has nothing of that sort and I think it could help the OS greatly.

Well I could keep going I think it's simple to say that everythough Windows has been out for years it's still not a Desktop OS, just because it has a massive user base means nothing. I've seen to many Windows user who can't actually use there computer. Microsoft needs to grow up and make an OS that is more for the user and not about making the user grow to OS.

Simply put Windows is an OS for people to afraid to use a computer, you don't have enough control , quick access or power use. So if you want to listen to music and write a word document go ahead and waste that thousand dollar computer, but if you want to any real work go ahead and get a real OS.

It's time for Windows to take off the training wheels and become an OS, not an OS wantabe. I can't wait to see what MS brings us next in there long list of failed attemps

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