The eagle and lander pattern worked.

From a commercial perspective, specialising in interplanetary travel or surface exploration feels more efficient. There is not much intersection between those subjects, integration of course.

I think the taxi companies missed the trick. Uber is just handy, it generally works.

Taxi firms could get together and do the same, or someone could offer it to them, then they have the convenience and the safety.

I don't like Uber either, they are grifting parasites.

When you are a business owner, maybe you might consider the advantages of slave labour. Many have in the past. British plantation owners were capitalists too, our government only recently stopped paying them for their loss of "capital" when they were made to free their slaves. Today there are places in the world where immigrant workers passports are seized as leverage to make them work for little, with no rights in dangerous conditions. We call it modern day slavery, the chains look different, but they are still chains.

No, but consider beyond your business, bigger picture. Capital wants labour price to be low, lower cost == greater profit. Profit is all capital cares about, that's it's nature. The affect of capital driving down wages means there is less money in the economy to buy goods and services, less money for taxes to pay for roads, street lights, police force etc.. As capital gets wealthier, it starts buying assets too, like property to rent, driving up the price for everyone and killing individual aspiration of home ownership.

Sound good to you? It's a bit more complex than capitalism vs. socualism. That's binary, primitive, lazy thinking. I suspect the answer is in the middle.

Feeling lonely Jock? You could try a constructive comment rather than being a dick. You are very good at being a dick already, maybe you don't need to practice?

I guess not, it's a big old lump. SpaceX are the space truckers, they'll get you there, hopefully get you back.

I guess given it's size, it's a good building block for an orbital platform too. Stick a few together, kit them out and you have a space station.

Guess not, at least until they can let us know they feel exploited.

We can be over dependent on them and that's not a good survival strategy. The machines stop working when the lights go out. History shows the lights go out regularly.

We are not disagreeing. AI to augment work as a tool is good.

Capitalism is "owning the means of production" , following that mantra as a fundamentalist, you want to own your labour, it's good risk management. We have to manage that intention or the labour ends up jobless, with no money to buy your products, or as slaves who will revolt and burn your business down.

Are you a fundamentalist? In the ISIS of capitalism. A blind faith believer.

You're chimp brain was triggered. I forgive you

Capitalism is a an economic model where people get to own businesses. What's their motivation to do that, greed, an intense desire for more.

You may not like the word greed, for good reason, it's not friendly or socially acceptable behaviour at a party, a sheep dog like me will call you out as a wolf.

Intense desire can also be to have the best product, qualified by market share. Some products are arguably better than others, consider guns vs nutritious food, capitalism doesn't care it's a model and a justification.

Market share can be skewed by marketing, a psychological trick to create a sense of value, sometimes there genuinely is, new shoe material to keep my feet dry, sometimes there isn't, crypto.

So greed for better products is good. Corporate greed to grow and dominate like a cancer, looks bad to me, like national imperialism. Greed for profit over planet, Oil, also looks bad to me.

It's not black or white. Good or evil. It's good and evil, let's have more good capitalism please, evil's got the upper hand.

Feel free to tell me what I am missing?

lol. You calling me simple? With your clown's name I guess you are always fun to be around too Rodolpho the Magnificent.

The medical evidence is moot.

My opinion is skewed because suicide stories we hear tend to be about celebs of some kind, they are generally gifted in some way. There are loads of historical references to the bright and the mentally tortured. Churchill's Black Dog comes to mind. Alan Turing's poisonous apple. And it doesn't have to be a dramatic suicide, others do it by inches, drinking themselves to death.

They are eclipsed by the ones we don't read about so much, construction labourers mostly in my country. Hard places to work. Thank your lucky stars if you don't have to do that.

Weirdly the web says animal vets are noticeably prone to offing themselves too.

Anyone say it was the cause of all America's problems? I didn't. I suggested China's managed it better. Or at least attempted to manage it. US government looks

Any stats from China are dubious. People leaving are the normal mix of the globally mobile, the wealthy, students, the educated, they move because they can. China is certainly not free of problems to make people want to move. I wouldn't want to live there. But I admire what they have achieved to lift many out of poverty and be industrious on an epic scale. Your country paid for a lot of that btw, outsourcing jobs and buying land fill.

Things are rarely black or white. Like a good economy it's a mixed bag. No one should get too much power over the rest. No human is infallible.

... and a bit of co-operativism, socialism, and whatever. Spread your bets.

I know it's hard for our chimp brains to accept, but there are no absolute truths or panaceas.

Capitalism is not good or bad, it is greedy, like a cancer , just wants to keep growing, as easily as possible until it consumes the host.

So capitalism like anything else has to be managed. China appear to be good at that, gone from starving to space in 60 years. What has US achieved in that time frame with unmanaged capitalism? Ditched space, took up war as a business, social media, crypto, AI slop. No surprise that tech is a capitalist wank fest, it's an easy way to make money and dodge any social responsibility.

Capitalism is great at cars and cornflakes, consumer goods, properly regulated so they don't poison us.
Capitalism is shit at public services and utilities, they are monopolies, you don't give a pig the keys to the all you can eat buffet.
Capitalism can serve public services with stuff it needs under care of the state to keep the end price low, quality high, for the people.

For the rest experiment, for me I'd like a more pastoral, community based economy, think small town America 1950's, a Butcher, Baker, Candletstick maker in every town employing locals, innovating and enriching the community. I'd smash up the bloated corporations, they stifle individual aspirations and creativity, the ratio of managers and communicators to people who can do useful things is way out of whack.

A higher functioning brain walks a tightrope without a user manual. Something to be said for being simple and happy.
Never take yourself seriously.
RIP.

AGI feels like a bit fusion, except we at least we know what fusion looks like.

The Turing test is bust by LLM. How do we reliably measure general intelligence? What we see in the natural world? Seems a crucial part of that is being able to manifest physically. There are some robots surprising us with how they learn to move, but they are not HAL or ORAC by a long stretch, still operating in very narrow problem domains.

We also don't understand the relationship of consciousness to what we experience as Intelligence and intuition. I love intuition, closest we get to magic.

We could and should have replaced CEO's now, maybe with a risk management or democratic process, algorithm we could create now. CEOs are overrated. We have some primate attachment to someone having to be in "charge" . There's a few interesting ones, the rest appear to be political animals of some kind, a sociopath, who's role is simply to make decisions based on some one else's suggestions. They appear bulletproof to most consequences for their decisions judging by how mobile they are.
 

I can see that. Might explain why we see corporate bloat, entropy and inflation. Maybe they should be a bit more efficient. Perhaps that's the capitalist problem, focus on profit and not sustainability commercially or environmentally. Capitalism has primitive motivations, it's got animal cunning, but that's about it.

Profitability is always cost dependent. You cant determine profit without knowing your cost.

You don't answer my question. In the "you don't work, AI/robots do it all" future we're being punted, who's paying for the stuff it produces and how? Where's the incentive?

I don't know, is an OK answer. I suspect that this is utopia BS to sweeten something a lot more bitter.

Not replaced it.

The LLM hype has two use cases. Search and Summarize, Generate content

Producing content has never been a problem, internet is full of it.

Search and summary provide better access to knowledge. My instinct is that easy to produce, superficial, unabsorbed knowledge is not enough for innovation, but it can provide sign posts and abstracts, that's useful like a teacher is. One thing LLM cant do is original content, it will always be derivative. I doubt Einstein, Da Vinci, Bach are considered derivative.

Best best for LLM maybe is to give search a run for it's money, search is choked out with advertising crap. Segueing ads into AI results feels like it breaks it, but I don't see how they can monetize without. Chat erotica, makes Open AI look desperate and going for grubby.

Enterprise level search has potential, they have hordes of data they probably don't understand, we're finding the tech interesting in how it makes connections between email, meetings, reports. but interesting is very different to useful.

Fundamentally LLM is useless without content to train on, that needs a human, and is useless without a human to use it and manifest it in the physical world. It's just another tool. Not a human replacement. It will be remembered as the marketing scam of the century.