Comment Re:More whataboutery [Re:Peak polluters are actua. (Score 1) 118
No, the peak polluter, the peak emitter of CO2, is China. The peak emitters are actually the Chinese. And no, the numbers do not change astronomically if you look at per capita.
They vastly change if you look per capita. China has more total CO2 emissions, but, dividing that by 1.4 billion people, the emissions per person are well under the US emissions (8.9 tons per Chinese person, compared to 14.2 tons per American) (not even to mention Canada, which is a little worse than the US on a per person basis. Of course, Canada is likely to win with global warming so they have less incentive to reduce).
It's funny how these comparisons all depend on how you measure things. Yes, China has lower emissions per capita, but if you factor in economic output, the scales tip again. China has higher kg per PPP $ of GDP. On that measure, China's CO2 emissions are less efficient now than the US's in 1990. And the US's total emissions peaked around 2005
And even if you look at emissions per capita you can see a clear trend of the US getting vastly more efficient over the last few decades. while China's emissions per capita are increasing rapidly. Given China's extreme demographics, I wouldn't be surprised if their emissions per capita exceeded the US's.
...If you really do believe human emissions are causing a climate emergency, there is only one place to look for a guilty party, and that is China.
Wrong. There is no one place, because what matters is the sum of all of the places, not any one place.
I'm not defending whatever GP was on about. We're all totally fucked if we don't get emissions down (and probably even if we do...). But I think there are some useful ways to compare economies and measure progress on these issues.
The American right has absolutely blown a circuit in its reasoning about this. They can't talk about out-competing China in this area because they'd have to admit the left had a few good points about clean energy. The argument appears to be:
- 1. Why bother building things more efficiently if China's not going to
- 2. We need to be competitive with China on trade!
- 3. EVs suck!
- 4. clean energy sucks, don't install it!
- 5. Drill baby, drill
- 6. Why are China's solar panels so cheap? We need tariffs!