And just where do you plug that extension cord in at? Won't last long if you run it through the door inside. Garages are also were people keep their power tools, rechargeable batteries, like for the lawn mower, weed eater, and leaf blower. Many people still use corded versions of those, were are they going to plug them in at? Guess they can't sweep their car out either, or run a pressure washer.

I'm guessing you don't actually live in a house with a garage...and a yard...

If the outdoor outlet is near the garage it's pretty much standard practice. In fact there is a specific line in the NEC book that allows just exactly that because it's so common. As to using the light, oh lots of issues there. You have to turn the light switch on first, and most of those are el cheapo rated for lighting only, not motors, like the things I mentioned above. Then how much is on that particular circuit and what else will get knocked out when it's eventually tripped?

There are very few cases this should even be considered. You can't do it if you rent. Many (most?) locales will require a permit and licensed electrician to perform it. And if you have to pay for that anyway in most situations you might as well run a new circuit. Especially in a house as you likely have multiple vehicles. Which is why I ran 100A to mine.

Good luck with that as there will be multiple outlets on the same circuit. So to make that work you have to find all of the outlets on that circuit, remove the receptacles and put a blank cover plate on them, then install the 6-15 on the one you want. And now your garage no longer has any 120V outlets which usually includes the outdoor one.

12awg has been required as a minimum for all circuits for as long as I can remember. The exception is mobile homes.

As someone who just recently ran 100A service to his driveway for dual EV chargers I cackle at your ignorance.

No it is not. I had to take one of my daughters to south Florida a few years ago, rush trip as she was moving for a new job. We drove her car down there loaded to the gills and I flew back. It was just under 1500 miles, google maps shows it to be just under 22hrs drive time, and we did it in a little under 24hrs averaging a bit over 60mph.

Typical road trip for our family is me stopping at the pump to do the fill while the wife, daughter, and grand daughters go inside. When I'm done I pull up to the store front and head in myself. Amusingly I still beat them back out to the truck. Total time is usually less than 10 minutes but we don't dawdle.

Well shouldn't we at least try to protect those poor "others" from the dirty Americans? Did you want them to suffer and die? Or are you saying that they were immune?

What got me is that if taking the COVID vaccine is so important to our nation's health that they were willing to try to force the issue via OSHA mandates and people loosing their jobs, then why the hell didn't they make all of the border crossers they caught, much less brought in, take it or be refused entry?

I remember being taught that it was just a numbers game. Give ANY vaccine to enough people and somebody is going to have an adverse reaction to it. You protect millions of children by making it part of the requirements for school. The cost is that you will injure, cripple, and even kill a few. I'm old enough to have the scar from the smallpox vaccine and we eradicated that one.

My electric company has recently switched to time of day pricing,and the difference is enough to make me look at putting in batteries. But that's irrelevant to what I said earlier. Here in the US eia.gov has real time and historical electric use by hour. During the summer months there's a 250 GWh swing between night and day usage so there is a lot of room to maneuver there. And solar can definitely help out during the day. But in the winter that drops to 100 GWh and sometimes less, because it's colder at night and the heating systems are going all out.

Now go back to my original statement and do the math. You'll find a big discrepancy in what is needed versus what we can currently generate. But that's only part of it. I recently upgraded to be able to run two L2 chargers. If a significant number of my neighbors do the same they will have to 1) upsize or increase the number of step down transformers that power the homes directly and 2) do the same for the lines feeding them from the substation. As entire areas do this that will mean upsizing the substations as well the lines that feed them. And so on up and including the new generation facilities

A quick search shows that the US has 630k miles of high voltage transmission lines, 6.3 million miles of local distribution, 55k substations, and 6400 power plants. God only knows how many transformers are involved, and there is a 2 year backlog on the big ones right now. Upgrading this to support pure EV + all electric homes is not something that can be done quickly or even relatively cheaply.

That's fantasy talk from someone who hasn't looked at this from a load perspective. Here's another aspect to consider as well. Take a 250kW L3 charger, which is about half of what they are coming out with now. If you have 10 people using those simultaneously that's 2.5MW, and worse it's a variable load. Sometimes it's full on, sometimes completely off. That plays havoc with grid stability. Batteries to even the load out will be a must. So now we will be charging batteries to charge other batteries.

We have about 145k gas stations but it will take more than that in EV chargers because it takes longer to per station for them that it does per pump with an ICE. This is the kind of thing that makes power distribution engineers go nuts. Yes, it's doable, with today's tech. But to do a country the size of the US is a MASSIVE effort.

WTF? Eggs went up and were at their highest under the Biden administration, something about slaughtering 150M chickens due to bird flu. They have since come down some not that I'd give much credit to Trump's administration for that.

Solvable yes, affordable much less practical is another story. Lookup passenger miles driven per year. Pick an EV model, get it's kWh per mile driven, and multiply. Pick a power plant and divide by it's yearly GWh rating for the total that needs to be built right now and solar is a problem because most of these EVs are going to charge at night. The numbers are mind numbing, and next you need to look at the distribution system all the way down to the household level.

Now do trucks. How about AI? And total electric homes. It would take a Manhattan style war effort to get it done, just in the US, in "only" 20 years.

The US has the fourth largest reserves in the world. It's an economic thing, kind of like "rare" earths

210.11(C)(4) Garage Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one 120-volt, 20-ampere branch circuit shall be installed to supply receptacle outlets required by 210.52(G)(1) for attached garages and in detached garages with electric power. This circuit shall have no other outlets.
Exception: This circuit shall be permitted to supply readily accessible outdoor receptacle outlets.

210.52(E)(1) One-Family and Two-Family Dwellings. For a one family dwelling and each unit of a two-family dwelling that is at grade level, at least one receptacle outlet readily accessible from grade and not more than 2.0 m (6 ½ ft) above grade level shall be installed at the front and back of the dwelling.

There is no NEC requirement for an outlet to be anywhere near the driveway that I am aware of. What is not mentioned in this section is the GFCI requirement,and guess what happens when it rains while you have a standard extension cord stretched out...

Going by just mileage a top end BEV should be able to make it to my mothers and back without a charge. But in the real world it's 100+ degF in the summer, and usually well under freezing in the winter which greatly reduces the range. As does the 80mph turnpike. They just won't do it, I know this because of those who have tried it. To make matters worse I've twice been forced to stop for hours because of others stuck in the snow and both times were on my return. Having a vehicle full of kids while low on charge, freezing temps, and 15-30 miles to nearest store is Not A Good Thing.

The outlet was installed for RV usage which is allowed. As a side effect, if you know what you are doing and my FIL does, you can back feed your house during emergencies. But they are getting up there in age and I've finally talked them into installing a whole house generator system which they are in process of doing.

I'd love to hear your _detailed_ example of how a recessed outlet can be moved from one end of a sheet rocked wall to the other for "$100". Have you seen the price of 6/3 lately? And that doesn't count repairing the wall that you will have to open up to do it.

This is fantasy talk. My mother owns her home and not too long ago bought the last car she will likely ever buy due to her age. Why should she pay both for the install and the electric usage just so her family can occasionally visit? I could do it but I'm not licensed in her state and a local ordinance makes it a potential felony for me to do so without pulling a permit. Even "handy men" to do things like repair a piece of wood trim or change a damn light bulb require a license there.

I actually knew that but in the aforementioned case it didn't happen because they didn't know/consider whether they needed to. My mom was not a happy camper when she discovered that her deep freeze was without power for an entire weekend. The Victron Multiplus/Quattro equipment I've put into RVs also have this ability.

A "portable charger", for your EV? WTF is that? You carrying a generator around with you? Extension cord, eh, I wouldn't want to carry it all the time but on trips could throw one in. I'd be a little leery of leaving a 12G cord out overnight at any place other than my mom's though. Those things grow legs and they are not cheap. Adapters, that's not a problem.

Why would you carry oil and engine fluids? That's a mess waiting to happen, been there, done that. If your vehicle leaks so badly that you can't trust it to make the next store you shouldn't be driving it period. A basic tool kit is a good idea for any vehicle, but for things made in the last 20 years a good scanner is probably the most important item to carry.

The best thing to do is keep your vehicle properly maintained. For everything else have roadside assistance because there is damn little you can easily fix on the side of the road in a modern vehicle that will actually stop you from driving it.

Don't take any of this as "your against EVs" because you would be wrong. I've a small shop setup next to my driveway that I recently upgraded to 100A service so that I can run a pair of level 2 chargers. My wife's next car will be an EV, and would have been last time but for supply chain problems during COVID. But me? I just sucked it up and bought another Suburban 4x4. I haul family, in bad weather, pull boats and other trailers. I _love_ the torque of an EV for that but the range just isn't there yet. And neither is the charging.

There is another factor that can come into play here. In my mother's case it's a deep freeze and a small refrigerator plugged into the garage/outdoor circuit. Another family member tried to use that and it tripped the breaker when the compressor(s) came on. She does have a 14-50 outlet for RV/generator usage but you'd need to bring a plug for it and quite a bit of cable. Which is another problem even with the 120V outlets. You'd better have 14G or better extension cord too. Those cheap 18G are not going to cut it trying to charge an EV overnight.

As compared to an ICE driver who most likely fills their tank completely up and won't have to worry about charger availability.

Gas pumps are limited to 10 gal/min. It takes me 2 minutes to fill the car and it's good for well over 400 miles. It takes me 3 minutes to fill our Suburban and it's good for at least that and up to 600 depending on conditions. I pull up to the pump, girls go in to potty, I fill, pull up to the store, and do the same. Guys pee faster lol. A typical stop is 10 minutes, tops, usually less if in the truck as we'll carry an ice chest with goodies.

EV's are great for in town usage but they aren't there yet for long distances and won't be for quite some time.

It just dawned on me that you might not be able to see the post in the link I provided as that's a group I'm in due to family living in the area. Here's the quote from a user. The problem was getting to the electric company's website to pay their bills

Cimtel changed my DNS servers to the Google DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) and it fixed the issue. They're not sure what cause the issue but using an alternate DNS has remedied the problem.