We can debate the philosophy, personally I lean further to the left than most here.

We can also debate it from a practicality point of view, whether a healthy, educated workforce with low child poverty is more productive etc etc etc.

But to me those are less useful. I think it's better to look at in terms of what we are doing right now. Right now most places that can do have some sort of assistance for low income earners. Benefits, good assistance etc, it amounts to the same thing. Whichever society you are in you've collectively decided that some outcomes are bad and it's worth spending money to avoid them.

For me the question about UBI is can we make the existing system more effective. In other words can you improve the outcomes you care about given the same budget.

To me it's not obvious, but not obviously no either. Unfortunately the debate gets missed because people have strange ideas about UBI, out are philosophically opposed to the idea of giving people money for nothing even if the actual amount of money you're giving doesn't change, or are blindly promises optimistic and think you should just give people money from nowhere.

Also Windscale has nothing to do with nuclear power, it was a crash nuclear weapons program by a desperate country on the back end of a devastating war with almost no resources. It's also rank dishonesty to link them together at all.

What's that got to do with nuclear power?

Since you mention the UK

Did I? I did not. I was talking about England. And public nudity is a crime in Scotland. Both of these are foolish laws. And that's why I didn't mention the UK specifically, because surprising as this seems to be to many internet randos I do actually know something about the laws of the place I live in.

Weird, I know.

Are we otherwise in agreement? It's not the public urination per-se but pissing on public spaces that's the problem. Do you have a problem with the essentially pop-up public urinals?

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

It was spectacularly, expensively wrong and no one died. In other fields, something goes a bit wrong and someone dies, but it's not news. Nuclear has among the lowest deaths per TWh of any power generation source.

Is "actually being rather safe" an excuse?

There is no other rational conclusion at this time.

Except you know it works. You have on the one hand Germany who have been trumpeting their green credentials very loudly and suckered in quite a few people into repeating them and France which those same people like to dump on because nuclear. Guess which one has the lower CO2 emissions per joule by a factor of 7?

Question is, how bad is climate change going to be?

The other question is have you read Mackay's book on renewable energy in the UK? If not, read it. If so, where are the renewables going to go? Even going all in on renewables, we simply don't have the space to actually hit net zero on renewables alone.

Ah well that must be why they excluded the hoards of foreign students who used to make up for the financial shortfall in the education system: the soylentcrete is substandard.

And I'm saying that's not what your source says,

And I'm telling you that you are wrong.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "must"?

It is then directly contradicted in the following paragraph. As usual you're hyper-fixating because you want to be right regardless of if you are correct in reality. "must" is unambiguous on its own, but so is the paragraph that direct contradicts "must". It says you "must" and then gives an option if you can't. so if you take the latter option, must you take the former? Hmmm how does that work, I wonder??

And I'm not talking about the state of your domicile.

Switching into American copspeak doesn't actually make your arguments stronger.

Yet when I asked you to explain how you think I misused it, you couldn't.

Chose not to, not couldn't. You're the kind of person (see above) who will studiously ignore information you don't like to "win" internet arguments. You have no idea what an allegory is, your claim that your weird fetishes are an "allegory" is so far off the mark. You haven't even said what's it's an allegory of.

Anyway here you go:

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.merriam-webster.co...

feel free to nitpick the dictionary while you're at it!

Oh shit I missed definition 3! Allegory n.

1. [...]
2. [...]
3. Internet rando's weird fetishitistic fantasies.

You were right, it was an allegory!

I don't think that's the case. Hinckley point has been a spectacular shit show from the hey go.

As for TMI... It's funny the rap the nuclear industry gets. Was it good... No... Not some rando falsetto of hist roof installing solar panels and that's already more people deadv than TMI. The were name design flaws, but the design also had also many failsafes points which is why a meltdown didn't go like Chernobyl.

You only think my own source was at odds work what I said because you didn't read it all.

I'm saying you do not need to carry your license with you which means I'm that case you are not obliged to produce documentation when your are stopped. It's not complicated. I'm not sure why you are making a meal out of it. Though given that you also don't know what an allegory is, it seems you struggle work words and their meaning.

mistaeks.

well played

Then you need to switch to using a clicky mechanical keyboard with blank keys.

I mean it is if you do it the way Hinkley Point was done.

Anyhoo, I think you could re title the article "After years of dither, Britain changes its mind".

Jaywalking is a crime in many other places too

So? It's a shitty crime bought and paid for by the motor vehicle industry. It's an absolute travesty that it exists and I am glad that the only attempts to introduce it here failed.

Similarly lots of places ban drinking of alcohol in public places, especially at night. Some places even ban public consumption of alcohol at any time, not just late at night, for example:

Right, America, yes. The UK has some alcohol control zones where the police can ask you to stop and move on if you are drinking, but you can drink in public. Nothing wrong with having a drink or two in a public park or beach with a picnic.

Urinating in public is disgusting and should not be done at all.

Well, that's you know, just like, your opinion, man.

Many men's toilets are barely private anyway, being a bunch of urinals or trough with no partitions.

but it would still be disgusting to do in an area that's frequented by others.

That's because it makes things nasty, not that urination is disgusting per-se. Some places have come up with solutions like pop-up urinals, which allow for what is essentially public urination without making the city stink. https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...

So when I said "You are not required to have your driving license on your person.", your long and condescending post was actually you saying "yes I agree"?

And since you're dreadfully forgetful you also said:

GP >> When you get pulled over by a cop you do not want to have any problems handing over your ids
You > This is a thing in literally every country on the planet that has a functional government.

And as I pointed out, it isn't in the UK because as you now know, you don't actually need to carry your driving license with you when you drive. I know you have a very hard problem imagining how any country that isn't full of eagles n' shit functions, but rest assured, we do.

i absolutely dearly love the arrogance of angry people on the internet, especially when they are wrong.

Here is the only relevant direct quite from the article:

If you donâ(TM)t have the documents with you at the time, you may be asked to take them to a police station within 7 days.

So... yeah. You don't need to. I'm sure you'll try and hyper-fixate on something or other to "prove" you are correct even though it's right there. You must produce it... except if you don't have it you have to show someone later.

If you want to get very techincal it's an offense to not produce it, but showing it within 7 days is always a valid defense. Which means, you don't need to carry your license because there is no penalty for not doing so.