I like your follow up comment, but please don't strawman me. I replied to your assertion of " the marketing of this product implies to a user that your images are never at risk of being hacked", and i just replied that it has to always be decrypted somewhere, and that somewhere can be compromised. So this isn't the property of any E2E encryption.

And with other types of E2E encryption like for example whatsapp messages, the person you sent them to has them on his phone, that can get hacked?

It all gets decrypted somewhere, and that somewhere can get hacked, that's always true.

This complaint makes no sense.

And is this corroberated anywhere that this is now the common definition?
I get we use E2E encryption in the context of whatsapp to have a specific meaning there, but since when does that mean that this is the only meaning?
And how can it even be unclear in this case? you actively pay the company monthly to analyze your data, so yes, they have access to it. duh??
I still don't see it honestly....

It just seems he imagined E2E only meaning user -> user encryption, and that this case is thus somehow unclear. While it's like the most clear case possible of E2E encryption where the other end is not another user.

No, it means only the sender, and the intended receiver can access the data.
For a service like this, the intended receiver is obviously the company you pay monthly to process the data. Sounds like E2E encryption to me.

Of course, for a service where you exchange data between users, the point is that the company can't read the messages, but that's so obviously not the case here.

So the issue for the security researcher is that when E2E encryption is mentioned that for him it's not clear who the other end is? For a camera whose entire purpose it to send the data to the vendor you're paying monthly for analyzing the data and give you feedback on your health O_o....

Yeah, the company is obviously the other end, how else could they provide the service you're paying them for???

Or is there some part in the E2E encryption definition that the intended recipient can't be a company??

Yeah, why do they keep reporting this shit?

Elon needs some more attention, wow, who would've thought -_-...

Just wondering... i might be in need of buying a car in the not too distant future. Looking at western brands, it seems a race to the bottom not in price, but in how badly can we fuck over our customers before we lose them all? Everything obviously has to be cloud connected, with paying extra (preferably monthly) for every feature they think they can get away with. That nice on board computer is perfect for adding ads to. And if some enterprising customer makes a library for the owners to use all these smart systems with a custom app or home assistant or so, we'll DMCA the project so they won't ever dare to do that again.+

Why the fuck would anyone visiting this site even dare to buy a western car again? It goes against everything we would ever want in a piece of technology.... (because, let's face it, that's what a modern car has become!)

You really need to talk more to regular people if yhou think this is "clear".

For people visiting slashdot it's obvious. For the regular person, it says buy, and they buy things on the internet all the time, why would this be different?

They don't, they don't need to meet the quote for each country, just from enough countries. Now it's just every extra vote that ensures that the invalid votes don't ruin the initiative.

Indeed, i haven't dared to click an unsubscribe link in years unless i'm extremely sure it's from a reliable organization....

Isn't that always the strategy? Sue a weaker opponent first, and once you have got some precedent set in court, you can go after the bigger players that will now face a more uphill battle due to the precedent you set.

If all the big tech companies force it onto everyone.

Look at the office 365 bullshit where they stealth upgraded everyone to an AI tier subscription. And then they put AI behind buttons & screens that didn't used to have AI, and suddenly, all office 365 users use AI.

And all the other tech companies are going for the same strategy. So yeah, if you literally force it down everyones throat, i'm sure it's fastest adoption ever seen.

What that adoption actually means seeing the practices of the companies forcing it onto everyone... that's the big question....

Some of the issues with asking the same questions over and over are:
- More interesting topics getting drowned out by the same beginner questions repeating over and over
- The questions same questions not always getting the same answers. In the end the experts won't revisit the same question for the 50th time, and beginners will start answering beginners.
- No knowledge aggregation doesn't really happen. Rather than the topic of that question getting dug up from time to time when someone asks for more clarification, and thus a knowledge base building around that topic, you might have to wade through dozens of the same question to find the one with an answer that's applicable to your situation, rather than one question that explores it in depth and may help you further way better.

As a millenial that grew up with forums, the above things are also what bother me most seeing most support groups now being on reddit, facebook or discord. Everything is just the same shallow questions repeating, no real in depth discussions, and unless you're terminally online, distilling deeper knowledge is near impossible.
On a forum you might find a thread on a topic that interests you, and has hundreds of comments, and you can choose to do a deep dive into that topic if you have an hour to waste on reading it when it works for you. On discord/facebook/reddit, if you're not always following the flow, good luck finding back things that were posted a mere month ago on a topic that interests you.

I was already wondering the same.
That would be thousands of videos per person on earth, seems a bit high of an estimate.

Isn't the entire point of being able to drive upside down that some cars at high speed generate insane amounts of downforce?
Of course, an active downforce system like this is cool (and not new, in the 70's there were racecars that did this, but was quickly banned from racing for many reasons).
But that basically an electric helicopter can "fly" for a short while isn't particularly impressive, and completely missing the point of why F1 cars could drive upside down when driving at sufficient speed. And the main reason no one is building stuff like this is that it's been banned from racing since the 70's...
I'm hoping someone builds a hotwheels like track where racedrivers actually at high speed with enough downforce drive upside down for a bit (although, probably hard to make something like that safe enough...).