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Comment Re: We're seeing a pattern here (Score 1) 54

I have consistently talked about the *UK* and the US. The UK is quite famously *not part of the EU*. Time for you to wind your neck in

Hypocrites will hypocrite.

The UK was part of the EU, and despite the idea that Brexit makes us something else, they are europeans, and trying to use your exceptionally lame "That's different!" card, you just dig yourself a little deeper into your cesspit.

But you gotta rationalize. I even gave you an out noting that all this is simply wrong, and you still cling to your narrative.

Comment Re: We're seeing a pattern here (Score 1) 54

This smacks of both-sides-ism. There are systemic differences in culture and governance across countries, and itâ(TM)s just silly not to acknowledge them, especially if the pushback is âoelook, Iâ(TM)ve found some anecdata that shows the problem exists in your continent too!â

Itâ(TM)s like claiming that because gun crime exists in European countries, itâ(TM)s not meaningfully worse in the US.

Allow. me to make myself perfectly clear. What both countries aer doing is 100 percent wrong. You on teh other hand are a supporter of the EU 's surveillance and sales of surveillance software to countries like Myanmar.

I say both cases are wrong, while you show you support what the EU is doing.

You see, shillly, your anti USA narrative requires it being the only country at fault. That's teh problem with those narratives. They turn people into hypocrites. That you've had multiple responses shows that you indeed do support the EU's surveillance efforts. your narrative deeply ingrained allows no other response Than "it's different." Hey - you do you, but you might think a little about the transparency and in your face nature of your hypocrisy - not a good look.

Comment Re:We're seeing a pattern here (Score 1) 54

The world isn’t a fricking binary. There can be problems in country A and *worse* problems in country B. ANPR cameras in the UK are still abused by the police, but it’s materially more difficult and there’s materially lower levels of abuse. And Europe isn’t a country where things are all done the same way, anyway.

You just defended Europe for doing the exact same thing you condemn the US for There ya go. At least you are honest about your hypocrisy.

And make no mistake, rejecting my diets offhand is hypocrisy.

You see homie, it isn't right what Flock is doing, and we are doing something about it. What have you done about Europe’ssame situation other than defend it? That reads like a wife who demands an open marriage, and her husband says "Okay, I have a woman who's been interested in me for a while, I'll call her up for a date tonight." and the wife responds, "No, no, it's only open for me, not you!"

Comment Re:We're seeing a pattern here (Score 1) 54

The problem is that what is required is so systemically difficult to achieve in the US, that it will never happen.

Look at what the UK has, by comparison: 1. National number plate standards that are focused on legibility and ensuring a unique identifier above all else, so that there’s no need for AI-based inference 2. National standards for ANPRs covering every aspect (compliance and audit below, but these are just one small part of a much larger framework)

This requires a top-down national approach to deliver. Hence why it’s so difficult in the US.

I know, right? Here's your problem shilly. Europe, were everything is right and just, has it's own mass surveillance issues.

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Feuropeantimes.news%2F202...

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.eu%2Farticl... That one is quite relevant - A cop in Ireland was stalking her ex using surveillance on him. HJe didn't do anything wrong, she jus used her power to spy on him.

Did you know that Europe sells surveillance software to some pretty sketchy countries? https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstateofsurveillance.or... and https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hrw.org%2Freport%2F202... So before the usual screeds, why are you so worried about the USA? If you are from Europe(I'm not certain) better wash the blood off your hands, before you promote yourself as ethics zenith of ethics, because you are every bit as evil.

Comment Re: We're seeing a pattern here (Score 1) 54

Sadly, we need to cry for everyone caught in this system. It is in our own best interests to make sure it is stopped, even for those too short sighted to see how it works against them.

Yeah, as a person who was wrongfully accused some years back - a ridiculous thing - a third party accusation, I had around 20 alibis from people who were with me, the whole day, and even the victim said I bore little resemblance to the person who threatened him. Culminating in me advising the police that they need to tell the accuser they were looking at arrest for filing a false report, and after that, a civil case.

Point is, that does some psychological damage.

Unlike the standard "Cawps iz evilz" reaction here, the police were pretty nice. They sensed fairly early on that there was some serious bullshittery going on.

The way I see it is that Flock is seriously flawed - no guardrails. And Flock as a company cannot be trusted. So plate tracking such as it is, needs to hit on only relevant plates, not wholesale surveillance, logs of who searched what, logons and logoffs documented, and any FlockStops that are shown to be in error must be corrected before moving on.

While there is no perfect system, I've worked enough in places where every action I took computer-wise was logged and saved. So it isn't all that difficult to improve security and false positives here.

Just not by the Flock company. They have proven to be untrustworthy.

Comment Re: We're seeing a pattern here (Score 1) 54

Flock increases the range and severity of the mistakes that lazy cops can make. It’s a systemic additional risk.

The American mindset seems increasingly incapable of understanding that humans don’t act in a vacuum, and that a focus on individual responsibility alone is never going to be enough to resolve large-scale failures. It’s like the whole field of systems safety engineering has just disappeared in a puff of smoke.

Your first point - spot on. Flock just makes it too easy.

Second point - okay, all Americans aer stupid and incapable of understanding simple things. Now do Europe

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Feuropeantimes.news%2F202... Did you know the EU sells spyware to other countries - including Rwanda? https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstateofsurveillance.or... https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstateofsurveillance.or...

Now to the flock like behavior https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.eu%2Farticl... From that page: Jack Murphy was suspicious. His ex-girlfriend, Eve Doherty, seemed to know a lot about who he was calling. His suspicions were merited. Doherty had been using her job in the Irish police force to access his phone records, an investigation by the local judiciary revealed.

The anti Americanism rampant on Slashdot seems more like either self hatred if you are from the US, insecurity, especially from European countries, or plain old fashioned propaganda. But that last situation has an exact parallel with what happened in one case in the US.

Now, perhaps you can go one about how stupid and clueless the Irish are? Feel free to address how those cites "are different".

Comment Re: We're seeing a pattern here (Score 1) 54

Don't blame Flock for lazy police work.

You put them together. Flock has no guardrails, and perpetuates mistakes across it's system.

This isn't all about Lazy police work, or ba cops. I'm certain whatever line of work you are in, there are bad people.

No homie - this is about a system that allows bad people to be bad. Flock is ripe for abuse, so rather than teh usual hatred of police that seems to be the rule here, you make it harder to do the malfeasance. It's the difference between locking your car, and leaving it unlocked with etc keys on the dashboard.

Comment Re:We're seeing a pattern here (Score 3, Interesting) 54

Whatever else, Flock is very imprecise, prone to bad errors, and we're seeing a pattern of innocent people being arrested. Police should look at evidence rather than clog up court time.

Except that the information Flock logged in their database was correct. It was the cops who decided that she was guilty just because she drove thru the town that day.

This was not a Flock error. It was bad cops.

One I was referring to was the incorrectly entered license plate what got a woman pulled over for suspected homicide - twice. A database error. After teh second time, they advised her to not drive that vehicle until they cleared the system and propagated the correct information.

This was not a bad cop, it was an error in the flock system. An error that can get people killed

Are their bad police? Sure. But your claims would appear to say that every single flock problem is by definition the result of criminal police. That's 100 percent the wrong approach. What is needed is logged interactions with data provided, such as the reason someone is maybe stalking someone. If Officer Joe Jones is stalking his ex wife Cynthia Jones, flock should be able to flag it. There are protections that Flock has none of at this time.

The problem with Flock is that it should not be legal for it to exist.

Problem is, if something can exist, it in fact will exist, Trying to make all license plate readers illegal is quixotic, honorable in intent, but doomed to fail.

Better to understand that, and implement enough safeguards to keep the bad guys and gals from doing bad things.

Comment Re:We're seeing a pattern here (Score 3) 54

In addition, it fosters sloppy police work. Even *if* Flock surveillance was infallible, proper analysis would still be required.

Yes; most of these false arrests would have been avoided with a small amount of policework. Sadly, police face few consequences for poor actions (even fewer now that the administration has stopped federal oversight of questionable police forces; hope everyone is having the day they voted for!)

It'll be all fun and games until MAGAs get nabbed. Remind me to cry for them.

This doesn't limit the liability for flock and similar surveillance systems, but it should (but obviously will not) add liability for law enforcement which relies on these surveillance systems.

Just keeping it out of their hands will do for now. And remember, this too shall pass.

Comment Re:As Mr. Miyagi might say, (Score 1) 40

I hope you realize that Flock is mostly just being replaced by a small number of competitors. Do you choose the panopticon you know or the one you don't?

I believe that what you're offering me is called a false dichotomy. And BTW, the greater evil never justifies the lesser one.

The specific camera, and database of the wanted is nothing new. What is not good is a couple things.

Incorrect data entry leading to persistent errors, and being almost incorrectable until the wrong person getting nabbed for something they did not do. Even then it isn't always corrected.

Treating the data as infallable, like DNA evidence. It is not. As shown, it isn't even reliable. This case of telling a woman her evidence can be shown at her trial apparently seems like discovery is off the table.

The ability for police to electronically stalk people. It has been used to track exes, which seems a bit scary, becaus stalking is something that can lead to much worse.

The way it should be used is with warrants, logging police use for inappropriate use like stalking, Flock has shown to be an un-trustable system, with great potential and actual abuse, and innocent people are getting into completely undeserved trouble.

Comment We're seeing a pattern here (Score 4, Insightful) 54

Whatever else, Flock is very imprecise, prone to bad errors, and we're seeing a pattern of innocent people being arrested. Police should look at evidence rather than clog up court time. And apparently under Flock Law, one must prove they are innocent, because the Flock system is looked at as infallible.

Flock needs to be stopped, because people will eventually be terminated for a flock mistake,

Meanwhile, The CEO of Flock is online demanding his picture not be posted. The irony. However it appears the internet is doing what it does,

Comment Re:Day after midterms (Score 1) 189

Rapid increase of CO2 and associated increase in temperatures have also been linked with mass extinctions.

All global changes have. Part of the reason that very few of the oldest are still among us today.

Greenhouse and Icehouse Earth are real, and at each turn, species went extinct.

Sometimes I think people believe I support AGW. Not at all. I just loath both the fear and denial. We have a problem. What good is using fear, and nothing is good about using denial.

Comment Re:Day after midterms (Score 1) 189

While your concern is applaudable, explain how during times in the past when CO2 was much higher than now, the world didn't end.

For many of the types of organisms that existed during periods of rapid change in CO2, it did end.

Very true. At the end of the Pennsylvanian, the last age of the carboniferous, so much carbon had been sequestered that the temperatures dropped, and much of the fauna couldn't handle it. Even Oxygen has killed off a lot of life. As things like stromatolites oxygenated water and the atmosphere, the so called "great rusting"event happened. Happened in cycles. and as the oceans started turning blue from green, iron precipitated and sunk to the seafloor, and created the banded formations , which is where we get most of our iron today. And the giant insects, needed a high oxygen content because of the way they respired, at the time when it dropped, so did they. Which is too bad - I'l love to see giant dragonflies!

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