Yeah I'm sure seniors will be rushing to install Epic gamestore or another appstore... they are getting scammed just fine through safari browser or the appstore.

The judge specifically called out Tim Cook too:

Judge Gonzalez Rogers added that internal company documents she reviewed showed Apple deliberately violated the injunction. The documents reveal "that Apple knew exactly what it was doing and at every turn chose the most anticompetitive option", she wrote.

She said CEO Tim Cook ignored executive Phillip Schiller's urging to have Apple comply with the injunction and allowed CFO Luca Maestri to convince him not to.

If they go for it as criminal contempt of court, then it's billions of dollars worth of damage contempt and we may very well see prison sentences at the highest level.

Bullshit.

Why are you so emotional about this?

Android has about 70% of the worldwide market share for cell phones.

There are no large app makers in the US that can avoid selling on Apple. For larger app developers, the percentage that works with apple is 100%. 100% market share. But it doesn't even matter because the exact percentage doesn't matter and you could easily have market power in a legal sense when owning 30% of some entire market.

I don’t think 'Epic can just sell their stuff in India so that Americans like me can continue to be ripped off' is going to fly in court, but you should try and see if Apple wants you on their legal team. I'm just explaining how countries look at it. It's not even about specific percentages, it's about if for real companies apple has market power to the point where they cannot realistically just skip Apple altogether. Authorities say that in some cases Apple has market power. Court just upheld it again. That should be the end of that discussion unless you have some serious arguments that authorities and courts haven't looked at. 'Microsoft does it too' or 'just sell in india' are laughable defenses. Like the judge would literally be laughing thinking you just made a joke.

No, it's like saying Apple has a monopoly over iPhones. Or that GM has one over Chevrolets. But GM doesn't have a monopoly over vehicles, and Apple doesn't have a monopoly over cell phones.

The claim is not that they have a monopoly over cellphones. They are abusing market power with regards to providers of mobile apps (it's a little more specific than that, but that's the gist). That's not like a debating point, that's the point of view of the United States.

The fundamental problem with Apple is that if you want to make a mobile app, you have no choice but deal with Apple. If you want to make a game you have many different options, but for making a mobile App you realistically would be cutting yourself out of the market if you chose to for instance only work on Android.

This puts higher responsibility on Apple to ensure that they do fair market practices.

Feel free to file a lawsuit if you feel damaged by Microsoft's practices. Apple being found guilty of something is not in any way an all-clear for Microsoft to keep doing what they are doing.

That's like saying your grocery store has a monopoly over a grocery store. Saying it like this is a fundamental misunderstanding of why apple has market power.

By the way, I didn't reconstruct anything, those numbers are literally in that data.

Well I guess it was just a coincidence then that you started swearing when you ran out of arguments. Take care dude.

That you're a dumbfuck, lol.

It's always a little sad when people resort to swearing at you if their arguments run out. Like it just make you look bad really. And I even asked you to stop digging and then you do that one.

Oh, man. If you had actually opened that, you would have seen what I was trying to tell you, lol

Not only did I open that, I even made a little script to verify that the numbers were the same as the other ones. You asked for source, I provided you source

lol, incorrect. Educate yourself. [bls.gov]

From your link: "The modeled wage estimates are produced using a statistical procedure that combines survey data collected by the National Compensation Survey (NCS) and the Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics (OEWS) programs."

So as I said, statistics from sampling. So again, you incorrectly called me incorrect. Yes these are official government statistics. Yes they have an error and confidence rate, just like every other stastistical process.

Incorrect. That's per-capita, which is average, not median. 5th, median household.

Nope, correct. When you scroll down on the page to per capita you see: States and territories ranked by per capita income

Which has California at 11th. I only stated that it had the same number 11th outcome and that is correct. So I am 100% correct that your link says it's 11th to. To refrase: my source and your source say the same thing: California is at 11, although you have it for per capita income, and I have it for median wage. Both your link and my link support that claim. The end result is both at 11th. It doesn't even matter for my argument if it's six or eight, eleven or whatever. Like if you said 'Oh but I think household income is a better rating because XYZ and there it's 5th', I wouldn't have even needed to reply to you. Instead you keep telling me how wrong I am and now swearing at me for some reason when I provide you with perfectly reasonable responses. And I even use official government sources.

So, this is how I feel about household numbers: These days those are very heavily skewed by the number of people in a household. I find it more interesting what individuals make from a job than what the household makes with N jobs.

I think it's fine to get these from a statistical process. If you disagree with the process that's fine, but don't claim it's not statistics.

For that last line I meant median wage.

Dude you messed up, just admit it that you confused wage and household income and stop digging that hole. It's ok. Everyone makes mistakes.

Here you go with that source you were unable to Google: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bls.gov%2Foes%2Fspecia...

What do you mean with 'real statistical collection'? You seem to mix up 'census collection' and 'real statistical collection'. Like damn, you don't even know what you are talking about. BLS does real statistical collection using sampling. If you think sampling does not work or is not statistical, that's hilarious. You don't need to speak to every person in the US to get like a 99.9% accurate view of median wage. In fact for various reasons the Census is generally going to have higher error rate and get lower accuracy, not that it matters for something like median wage.

And yes, every number ever has an error rate. IRS is also going to have some errors. Reality is that you have no real data to back up that there is anything wrong with these numbers. Your suggestion that 'perfect data does not exist so there is no data' is ridiculous. Your household data is also not 100% accurate and neither is the 'GDP of California' number. All of it is some estimates. However, yeah, BLS is going to be pretty good actually.

That one has the same numbers I posted with California 11th for median household income. What is your point even?

Nope. If you are going to correct someone please be accurate.

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...

I specifically stated median wage for states and territories for which my number is accurate.

I think you took median household income for only states, which is not what I stated at all and I can go into a whole reasoning here, but the short version is that I believe wage is more representative because it matters more for this number what people get paid for doing a job than how many people are in a household.

Median wage in California is 10th place, not of the world, but of US states and territories. It's between Minnesota and Colorado.

California's GDP has nothing to do with the people of California. A bunch of big tech companies and media conglomerates have their HQ there and that's where the income of all their US revenue is registered. Their foreign income is usually registered in some tax haven. This talk about agriculture is nice, but at $60 billion it is barely relevant for the so called 'GDP' number.

Of course there is a large amount of medium to high income people in California, but overall these numbers just reflect some tech bro/billionaire dream rather than anything that is useful for normal people. Median wage is the best indication of how people of a state actually do.

As for the comments saying cities in California are a shithole... well they kind of are aren't they?

The summary makes a big deal about tourism, but with 15 million international tourists per year it's barely even registering on the charts. It's a number similar to croatia. National tourism might be bigger but it's hard to get numbers, compare them or even define it.

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...

He was a securities analyst that got barred from securities for fraud. Not really a tech guy.

Mate we were literally responding to one of your MAGA buddies that was suggesting DOGE should defund this research.

That buddy of yours is the only one suggesting that DOGE cares about this, so pick it up with him if you have a problem with that.

Also nobody here said anything about 'repelling a doge invasion' except you.

It's European research. One problem there is that the security at university of cambridge would send the doge broccoliheads away and sending an invasion force to capture britain for this would be quite expensive.

As for JWST, Europe contributed 15% for 15% observation time

I mean even with Trump in office I didn't see any official instances. Unless we are like calling polite reasonable criticism 'talking trash'.

European leaders talk waayyy more respectfully about Trump than US ones.

Onofficially, I think there was the one case where someone evesdropped on macron having a private conversation with some other leaders and he said “He was late because he takes a 40-minute press conference off the top” about Trump. Which I wouldn't even call talking trash.