Comment Re:Red did better than Blue under covid (Score 1) 125
When it comes to reducing your ability to spread COVID to others, epidemiologically speaking, he wasn't wrong.
Doctors, scientists, also consider what people will realistically do. What they can be realistically expected to comply with. Asking for too much will not yield positive results.
And that's why they should have waited to open dine-in restaurants until they could do so without making unreasonable demands.
Want to do a left wing protest march, no covid restrictions for you.
And yet those groups tended to practice social distancing, wore masks, etc.
Very hit and miss on that. And no blue politician cared.
The thing is, limits on political speech are really problematic in general. Even if they cared, they wouldn't dare say it.
Blue states did not overreact.
Absolutely false. The business and school closers, mandatory vexing for the young and healthy.
They did not overreact. The problem was that we weren't prepared for the fallout. If it happened today, given how much better delivery services have gotten, it would not have been a big deal for most businesses. Schools would still have been a problem, but not nearly as much as it was five years ago, because technology has gotten better. And so on.
And the other thing about it is that the blue states also tended to be in a better position in terms of the poor having access to usable home Internet service, so the negative impact was way less than it would have been if a red state had done the same thing. That's why the red states were freaking out — not because it wasn't possible to educate under those circumstances, but rather because they viewed it through the lens of their local reality, where doing that would have been an absolute s**tshow.
Red states didn't take it seriously, and a lot of people died as a result.
Read the small print on your studies, its was more about socioeconomic factors than politics.
Most of the red state deaths weren't because of socioeconomic factors. They were because of COVID. While the blue states correctly attributed excess deaths, the red states tried to bury them, and thus in spite of them saying "All these extra deaths are because of lockdowns and socioeconomic damage", the reality was that the excess deaths were way worse in the red states. Their claims just didn't hold up when put under a microscope.
The only place where blue states did badly was New York, and that's because they got hit first, before anybody knew how to deal with it.
Total BS. They got hit harder due to the mismanagement of Gov Cuomo who through his policies put the most vulnerable, the senior population, at far greater risk.
I'm not saying Cuomo didn't make mistakes. He absolutely did, and some of them cost a lot of lives. And yes, that was absolutely part of it.
That said, the fact was that they got hit before we had credible numbers about how bad it was going to be. China wasn't really speaking honestly, and New York was basically #2. New York got hit earlier in the winter, during a period where most people stayed indoors. New York has areas of much higher density than pretty much anywhere else in the U.S., which makes things spread faster. New York has subways, where people get packed in by sardines, and if one person is sick, everybody gets sick. And so on.
Additionally, it wasn't until several weeks into the New York pandemic when they realized that delayed processing of blood tests for blood oxygen were resulting in artificially low blood oxygen numbers because of high WBC, so they unnecessarily put a *lot* of relatively healthy people on ventilators, and that actually killed them because of secondary infections, lung damage from overpressure. etc.
It wasn't until several *months* in that they concluded that large-cannula oxygen was better in a majority of cases, rather than ventilators.
And while Cuomo's bad decisions definitely cost lives, one could argue that they made sense at the time, given the rate at which people were being hospitalized and the lack of beds, and given how little we actually knew about how the pandemic was going to play out. It's easy to second-guess with the benefit of hindsight. It's far harder to make those sorts of decisions with limited information in the heat of the moment.
Unnecessary vaxxing of the young and healthy, closures and restrictions for tool long, politicized closures/non-closures.
I knew someone personally who died of COVID. He was overweight, but he was not particularly old. What you call unnecessary, I call common f**king sense.
You just proved yourself wrong. Not I referred to you and healthy, and you refer to someone who is overweight. A know factor for enhanced risk.
Two-thirds of American adults are overweight or obese. You're right that it isn't technically healthy in the strictest sense, but it is so prevalent that as soon as you vaccinate everybody who is elderly or has any of the risk factors, you've vaccinated nearly the entire population.
The biggest mistake the blue states made was that they opened too soon. California was within a few weeks of reaching zero cases when they reopened the first time.
LOL, sorry CA resident here. Our governor was one of the more abusive ones.
Also a CA resident here, and I was literally watching the numbers, constantly updating a spreadsheet, and doing statistics on the numbers, and calculated exactly when they should have reopened to achieve eradication in Santa Clara County. Cases were in exponential (logarithmic?) decline, but they reopened about one month too soon the first time by my math, and cases immediately began growing exponentially again. Feel free to disagree with me, but be prepared to show your work.
Had they been going for eradication instead of merely keeping hospitals from collapsing,
There is no such thing as eradication. There is only spreading out the curve so as to not overwhelm healthcare.
Untrue. If we had kept the spread down enough until everyone was vaccinated, we almost certainly could have achieved eradication. You just have to have low enough spread at the time when you hit full vaccination so that it dies out. We saw it happen with one of the Influenza strains during the pandemic, in fact.
The other big mistake was opening up restaurants. As soon as they did that, cases massively surged.
You falsely conflate cases with problems. In the long run we are all going to get exposed. It's just a matter of time. What matters is the severity of the cases, not the instances.
See above.
With the sole exception of the impact on kids' education, to the best of my knowledge, red states did not do better by ANY objective metric. Feel free to provide citations, though.
Go read the small print on your citation. Odds are you will find that the differences are more about socioeconomic factors not politics.
Again, citation needed.