
Journal Ethelred Unraed's Journal: Germans and Ikea 36
This started out as a response to Allen Zadr's journal about Ikea, but got a bit longish, so here's a JE instead.
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You don't know how true it is when you say Ikea's stuff looks European. For if you visit the home of anyone in Germany who is under 40, I guarantee you will find at least a few items from Ikea, and even for those over 40 there's a good chance they'll have something, too.
Some places are almost entirely furnished with Ikea items, particularly if it's students or the recently graduated.
It's partly because the competition is so lame -- inexpensive build-it-yourself furniture is fairly common, but most of it is shoddy beyond belief, while anything more solid tends to be drab and ugly and ridiculously expensive. Ikea found a kind of golden middle, and no one else seems to have figured out how to challenge them on it over here.
The other thing Ikea has down well -- and it's crazy to have to point it out -- is that they are remarkably family-friendly. You might take this for granted in America, but it's at times shocking how little provision is made for families, especially those with small children. The unstated expectation is that you're supposed to stay at home until they get older, because kids aren't to be seen in polite society. (And then they wonder why the birth rate is in the toilet.) Ikea, by contrast, makes all kinds of effort to provide for kids there, from having a supervised play area to offering free food for babies and cheap meals for kids, to offering discounts to families, and so on. No other store I know of in Germany does anything remotely like it -- except, ironically, Wal-Mart.
The sad thing is, though, that you visit other people's homes and see stuff you have yourself (or at least looked at in the catalog). Thus I tease West Germans, who used to mock East Germans for all having the same cheap standardized furniture and clothing, because the West Germans are now doing the same thing.
My workroom is about half Ikea stuff. Two desks, a bookshelf, curtain rod, a dresser that I use for storing paper and disk media, a rollaway cabinet, various picture frames and so on. We also have a kitchen from Ikea, the kids' room practically looks like an Ikea catalogue (right down to the sun-shaped ceiling light and ladybug-shaped wall lights), our dining table is from Ikea, various rugs, the bathroom furnishings are mostly Ikea and so on. Kinda sad, really...
Currently there is one Ikea near Hannover, in a small town on the outer edge of Hannover's metro area (Hannover's population: about 500,000, greater Hannover region about 1 million), but the demand is such that they are opening a second, much larger one on the southern edge of the city itself (a stone's throw from us), on the former Expo 2000 grounds (and across from CeBIT -- traffic's gonna be real fun).
Resistance is futile!
My Wife loves IKEA (Score:1)
And the nearest one is a mere 10 km from here! Before I met her, I didn't have any IKEA stuff, I don't dare to count the items now. I did have self-build furniture that came from the competition, and frankly the competition seems better here. Their stuff is affordable and frankly, not ugly at all... Of course, I don't live in Germany. My stuff came from Roller [roller.lu] and Conforama [conforama.lu]. Sure, they also have less modern stuff, but they also have modern stuff.
I do agree that IKEA does its best to accomodate f
Like a black hole for Swedes (Score:2)
Re:Like a black hole for Swedes (Score:2)
in Scandinavia... (Score:2)
Over here, children are seen and heard, which is precisely why the birth rate is in the toilet. And a trip to IKEA on say a Saturday is better known as birth control...
Re:in Scandinavia... (Score:1)
Although I haven't figured out yet what language that is - any ideas?
Re:in Scandinavia... (Score:2)
Presumably the ad is Belgian. Kruidvat is a major Dutch chain, while Colruyt is Belgian and Carrefour is French (but also in Belgium).
The kid seems to be screaming something about "bon-bons", i.e. French, but the word is also used in Flemish, Dutch and German, so it's hard to say for sure which language he's speaking.
Cheers,
Ethelred
Re:in Scandinavia... (Score:1)
I confirm: It's Flemish... I can assure you that the accent is noticable for a native speaker ;-)
Re:in Scandinavia... (Score:2)
You could actually understand what he was saying? All I got was SCREAM SCREAM bon-bons SCREAM. I couldn't pick out anything else recognizable, even though I speak some Dutch and French.
Cheers,
Ethelred
Re:in Scandinavia... (Score:1)
Re:in Scandinavia... (Score:2)
Anyhow, sure sounded to me like Swedish: "Jag vill ha bonbons." Means the same thing too. Even reading what you wrote and going back over that part of it over and over again, it still sounds like that to me. In English pseudo-phonetics it would be 'Yah veel hah bonbon
Re:in Scandinavia... (Score:1)
Pehaps we all just project what we understand on something that -in reality- isn't understandable at all.
All right, rant time (Score:2)
There is no excuse for a parent that doesn't try to keep their kids under control. There is equally no excuse for people acting like kids are best seen and not heard -- or not seen at all. Both attitudes are utterly irresponsible and short-sighted.
Cheers,
Ethelred
Re:All right, rant time (Score:2)
Oh all right then, I'll drop a nuke (Score:2)
I love children
Yes, we knew that.
/me scampers away
Cheers,
Ethelred
Re:Oh all right then, I'll drop a nuke (Score:2)
Re:Oh all right then, I'll drop a nuke (Score:2)
Aw c'mon, can't I have just a little fun? Pshee!
Very well then. You are forgiven for your attempt to mock His Ethelredness. But next time, it's a sporking!
Cheers,
Ethelred
Exactly (Score:2)
Ikea's that drug (Score:2)
Ikea's designs seem to be better in some areas than others. I think their storage
Re:Ikea's that drug (Score:2)
As far as chairs go, at least for office chairs, I can vouch for Ikea (the only other chairs we have from them are the kiddie ones that go with the kids' beds and cabinets). The six-year-old office chair I have looks like hell now, but only because Cleo-Kitty has savaged it -- no matter how expensive the chair is, no chair can survive her claws for long (and it did hold up pretty well for three years, but now the top is badly torn). It's still comfortable and holding up pretty well, aside from the torn cove
Re:Ikea's that drug (Score:1)
Oh puh-lease. Our spoken english is 300 years old (e.g. fall vs. autumn), why should we update our furniture?
Re:Ikea's that drug (Score:2)
That's actually the odd thing, when you think about it. America, home of the Internet, first to land on the moon, etc. etc. etc., yet my impression is that the vast majority of people prefer to furnish their homes and dress as if it's some time in the 1950s.
Which isn't a bad thing necessarily (I myself tend to prefer more traditional furniture and clothing) -- just an observation and a seeming contradiction.
Cheers,
Ethelred
Switzerland and Ikea too (Score:2)
I popped in there quickly one Saturday and was amazed to see the line of cars coming off the highway and streaming into the parking lot there. They're currently building a bigger Ikea to r
Re:Switzerland and Ikea too (Score:1)
Although actually, the only things we've bought there have bee
Re:Switzerland and Ikea too (Score:2)
so it's close enough that you physically could take MARTA, but you really need a car/van/truck to get your purchases home.
That's another thing Ikea does here that's a nice idea. They cheaply rent trucks and vans, in case you need it -- and their stores are generally reachable with public transport, though unfortunately they also tend to be pretty far on the edge of town.
Cheers,
Ethelred
Re:Switzerland and Ikea too (Score:2)
The IKEA store at Slependen, south-west of Oslo, has its own regular free bus service from downtown Oslo. They also offer delivery, so city-dwellers without cars still can furnish their apartments with IKEAs finest.
I drive past this store nearly every day to and from work, and at certain times of the week the traffic situation there is sheer madness. At other times it is actually quite reasonable, to the extent even I dare try parking and entering.
And then discovering it isn't so bad after all.
Re:Switzerland and Ikea too (Score:2)
More interestingly about Ikea and Germany is the cafeteria there: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1 5 [spiegel.de] 18,392850,00.html (Also tales of abusing the child-watching service too.)
*sigh* People can be such assholes. No matter what nationality. The really sad thing is that that story doesn't surprise me one bit.
The cafeteria really is dirt cheap, though, and the food's actually not bad at all. Families get discounts up the wazoo, too. If the Ikea in our area wasn't so far away, we'd probably
Arrgghhh (Score:1)
EvilKim loves IKEA. Unfortunately our city of ~680K people isn't large enough to warrant one (or so IKEA says when asked by anyone here). Her sister lives in Edmonton so when Kim goes for a visit I'm sure to clear floorspace as I know I'll be assembling something in the near future.
There're a couple of Jysk stores here. Not bad prices but cheaply made stuff.
Re:Arrgghhh (Score:2)
That's kinda odd, because (as noted in the JE) Hannover is only a bit over 500K, with the greater Hannover region a bit over a million (and Hannover is actually a relatively "grey" city demographically speaking), yet we're getting our second store late this fall. You'd think that a city of almost 700K like Winnipeg (presumably much younger than Hannoverians as well -- which if my memory of Winnipeg is accurate, is definitely true) would be attractive to Ikea.
Cheers,
Ethelred
Re:Arrgghhh (Score:1)
Winnipeg's population is getting older. A lot of recent grads move away and skilled labour has been moving to Alberta (they're in a huge construction boom thanks to oil). Also this city is quite spread out, we're in the middle of the Manitoba prairie so we're not limited by the constraints of mountains, oceans, what-have-you. That works against some retailers as many people don't want to drive across the city for their products.
Re:Arrgghhh (Score:2)
That's the odd thing -- Hannover's current Ikea is quite far out, well outside of Hannover's city limits -- about 20 km outside of town by car. (The new one will be on the southern edge of the city, about 7 km from us.) Hannover also has a severe aging problem -- one of the worst in a major city in western Germany, as it happens (and that's saying something). Schools are being closed down for lack of kids, Hannover's university students skedaddle as soon as they graduate, the big industrial employers are pu
Re:Arrgghhh (Score:1)
Yep, the city has really spread. Developed all the way to the Perimeter on the south and west ends. East is filling up, too.
So why were you in this neck of the woods?
Re:Arrgghhh (Score:2)
My mom had several professional meetings near International Falls, Minnesota (they live in the Twin Cities, as did I at the time), and each time we decided to go northwards to visit Winnipeg for the hell of it and do some sightseeing, both of the city itself and of the broader area (like Selkirk and on up to Lake Winnipeg -- a small fishing village that was called IIRC Grand Marais). I remember being taken by the way the place felt like an even mixture of America and Britain -- lots of obvious Scottish infl
Re:Arrgghhh (Score:1)
Probably Assiniboine Park, the largest park here. My house is a 3 minute bike ride from it.
I'd like to go back, but unfortunately flights from Germany are a tad e
Ikea junkie (Score:2)
Guilty as charged. Our whole living room (sofas, entertainment centers, bookcases), dining room (table and chairs, more bookcases) are all Ikea. We also have Ikea desks in our office. My son's loft bed is Ikea, as are a few other items.
why they all like Ikea. (Score:2)
I like the tagline at the end. "If not for yourself, at least for the others."
Oh, but back to what you were saying about flimsy, I've got a nice sturdy short bookcase from them, but also a slightly wider and much taller bookcase from them, where the shelves are just hanging on pins loosely. If I go up and tap it on the side, it will shake a little. Okay, I admit, I should nail the back on it, but still, this seems pretty flimsy.
Canadians & IKEA (too) (Score:2)
Not sure if that works for the >40 crowd, but it is certainly the case for most of the people I know within 100 kms of an IKEA here in Canada. Ikea is pretty well the official starving student furniture supplier, and something always survives from those days, no matter how often you redecorate. I'm in fact