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Comment Re: I know they'll be consistent (Score 1) 119

If the Israeli Jews you mention were to stop the occupation of Palestine and withdraw,

Israel left Gaza in 2005. Hamas invaded in 2023. You're blaming the victims: all 1,200 of them.

[...]Hamas would not chase them around the world to hurt them.

Hamas's purpose is to ethnically cleanse the land of its Jewish population. Sources are available upon request.

[...]It's about territory.

See above. Israel left Gaza in 2005.

[...]I don't think Hamas is right to do what it does.

Then stop denying it was genocide.

Comment Re: I know they'll be consistent (Score 1) 119

the claim that Hamas' actions are genocidal is false.

Eliminationist antisemitism is the defining feature of the Hamas ideology. If the attack were to prevent colonization of Gaza, perhaps they should have attacked the Israelis in Gaza. (Oh, wait... Israel left in 2005.) Instead, they entered a foreign country in plainclothes and indiscriminately attacked the majority-Jewish civilian population. Given that the majority of people murdered had been born in Israel AND had never set foot in Gaza, your comment about colonization is a red herring.

Comment Re:I know they'll be consistent (Score 1) 119

> They realize they can't simply kill everyone without losing the support of the USA

You're saying that the IDF has the magical ability to do less collateral damage than any conventional military in history and yet chooses to be as clumsy as everyone else. Okay. Evidence, please?

Comment Re:I know they'll be consistent (Score 2, Informative) 119

The *total* death toll in Gaza is appalling. A strong argument can be made that the invasion of Gaza was precisely what Hamas wanted: the disruption of the Israeli-Saudi peace process, the distraction from Israel's legitimate claim to be the victim of genocide on October 7th 2023, and a death toll so high as to facilitate the decades-long slur that the Jews are the new Nazis. (See 'Holocaust Inversion' and Deborah Lipstadt.)

However, in an ideal world, collateral damage wouldn't be misrepresented as genocide. A civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio of 3:1 or worse is typical of urban warfare. The ratio in Gaza is not especially heinous. It is the death toll that bothers people. However, the death toll does not tell us that the event is or is not a genocide. If 1,200 people are murdered for being Jewish, whether civilian or combatant, that is genocide. If 400 combatants are targeted and 800 civilians die as collateral damage, that is not genocide.

Some collateral damage is inevitable. To claim that the collateral damage is evidence of genocide, one must show that the collateral damage could have been avoided. ("Don't go in there in the first place" doesn't count: self-defense is a legitimate casus belli under Article 51(? I forget) of the UN Charter and the principle of jus ad bellum.) Given that the IDF has the power to murder the entire population of Gaza in a month or less, either (a) they're lazy or (b) they're not committing genocide. It's certainly likely that war crimes are occurring, and I'm sure some of them qualify as genocide. However, to misrepresent the invasion of Gaza as genocide is intellectually dishonest and factually incorrect.

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