Never thought of epoch time! The ultimate revenge of the nerds! 8^)

During the longest days many of the outside contractors in my area tend to tie their workday to the light/dark cycle. There are times here in PA where it is getting light at 4 in the morning! That's like bonus time toward meeting the schedule. And you are correct about the heat. We have the added humidity (it hung around 100 percent this past summer) Upper 80's and 100 percent humidity plays hell on construction workers.

Although it is mainly a transfer of energy use. But what makes me laugh is just how the intersection of solipsism and stupidity runs so deep in these matters.

Even the name "Sunshine Protection Act" the hill politicians have chosen to die on, is 100 percent wrong. The amount of sunshine in any 24 hour cycle is a matter of physics, not something politicians can vote on.

But a person who gets up at 7:00 A.M. and works a day shift. sees how it is light longer in the summer, and is stupid, thinks that all that is needed is to keep DST, and the day will be longer. And their solipsism has them thinking everyone else would benefit from that. I meant who could oppose a longer day? There are times here when it is getting light at 4 in the morning. Then it makes some sense to shift, people who work outside like that, especially in temperate zones. Hours wasted in the morning, unless you want to start work at 4 AM. But on the other end of the stick, if DST becomes permanent, in my area, during December and January, sunrise will happen around 0830, with 0835 being the latest. And I'm in PA. Around 40 degrees North, not even halfway up the latitudes.

But the solipsists don't care, and stupid is not fixable.

I've been on planes with hundreds of people per flight. Their experience is the same as mine. No one keeled over. This ain't just me homie. And I'm not going to provide citations with everyone I ever flew with - that's thousands of people. I only relate that people don't die because they changed timezones. If this was a regular occurrence across many people, people would notice.

That you think that my relating a personal experience over many years is flawed reasoning only shows you didn't have anything useful to say, but that didn't stop you from saying something. Good work, coward.

Must be Drinkypoo derangement syndrome. That was a misread on my part, mea maxima culpa's all around But.....

Validate your claim that DST kills people. Shifting a timezone should have exactly the same effect. One hour plus or minus, should be showing dead people as a direct cause. And I don't take back that you are solipsistic.

Shifting one timezone should have exactly the same effect. Death. Explain why it does not.

So when we are on permanent DST, I have to go to work late in December? Or at 4 in the morning during the summer? And across time zones and latitudes, making corrections for everyone?

Sorry, but perhaps in prehistoric times up to the early 1700's your "natural" system might work. It definitely does not in an interconnected world. A whole lot of us have to know what time people show up for work in cities and countries we communicate with. Example: One place I would call was on the west coast. Their workday was 7:30 to 4:30. They were 3 hours behind my time. So if I need to call them at my time, I have to wait until 10:30 Eastern Time. If I have to call Mumbai Adding an element of randomness is just going to make the juggling worse

You think changing the clocks twice a year fixes everything?

Of course it doesn't. Low latitudes have almost no difference in day night cycle, and the higher you go in latitude, the more the dy night cycle shits over teh year, and at the highest latitudes, no adjustment is actually possible that would do anything.

We have modern tech that lets us have flexible scheduling, even schools are now flexible enough that on bad weather days the children take classes from home (yes that is proving to not work but the tech is here). So your fix is making working parents continually change their workday, and hiring an au pair? And each day will be a little different. What is more, everyone who works will have to calculate the start time for any place they call. If I need an answer when I get into work, but the person I'm calling won't be in for another hour, that's cray cray.

Sounds more like chaos to me.

I had an assistant who at one point would call me when I was out of town. He'd call at 8:00 East coast time, while I was on the west coast. 5:00 in the morning. After the fifth time, I told him I was going to smack him if he did it again when I got back. Three hours difference.

Now your solution amps that up to the point of randomness. Time zones is fairly simple. Time zones plus different times of work depending on latitude - that's just chaos.

Keep the time where it belongs - unchanging - and fix your work and school hours to match the time of year. This is no longer a problem with modern technology that is stuck on your nose all day - thanks to the smart phone we no longer need the dumb clock gymnastics that is DST.

Here's a solution for you. Universal coordinated time. UCT is the same time around the world. You don't have to ever change what time it is. Then you can do the adjusting in your work times, and you don't have to guess what time it is to do business. I use UCT all the time, because my business is all around the world. If DST is an insufferable experience, You'd faint in the gymnastics needed to say, find a time to call Mumbai, and would have a heart attack when you found to that some places are actually tomorrow at times while you are at some time today.

Look up the differences between latitudes.

Why don't we all have our personal times? Don't let the man tell you what time it is. 8^)

You are a rather solipsistic fellow aren't you? You never got on or off a bus in the dark so no one does. Look up the day night cycles. Here in PA, the sunrise is at 7:35 A.M. on December 30th. Add permanent DST, and it becomes 8:35 And it gets worse further north. https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsunrise-sunset.org%2F Consider other people

Right, DST kills people. Here's your problem. If DST kills people, then why aren't people who regularly shift time zones drop over dead? I regularly did 3 time zone shifts, back and forth between the home in the east, and the west coast, even some to Alaska. I got on a plane, and got off a plane, and no one died.

I had Jet lag, for sure, but never felt ill, just a little strange.

If one hour kills people, then 3 or 4 hour shifts should have a greater effect. Explain why not?

It does that, but a lot of us regularly shift several time zones and back.

Jet lag is real and it doesn't feel all that great. But it is the price we pay. On short trips, I could just keep my regular cycle. If it was longer than a week, the body just adapts no matter how hard I try.

What is interesting to me is that after a career with a lot of extensive time zone shifts. a one hour change doesn't bother me at all.

Probably the biggest PITA is dealing with the pets. I try to just adapt a bit earlier or later, each day, until they are on what the think is their schedule aligns with the clock again

And I regularly felt coast to coast USA, That three time zone difference should have killed me outright, if the westward flight didn't coming back east should have. Here's the truth. The earth is a oblate spheroid rotating on a tilted axis relative to the sun.

As it orbits the sun, that tilt creates different light/dark cycles. over the course of the orbit

Near the equator, there is not much difference over the course of the year. And it is not unusual for people living there to find the clock changes silly.

As the latitude increases, people there experience larger and larger changes in teh day/night respective lengths. Here in PA, it is significant, some hours one way or the other between summer and winter.

A bit further, like say Canadian cities, it becomes even more extreme. DST to ST? . You'll probably Go to work in the dark, and drive home in the dark. But it still helps

Finally, at the really high latitudes, no amount of correction helps. Their summers, there is no dark cycle, and the winters, no light cycles.

We tried permanent Daylight savings time during the Arab Oil Crisis. And people hated it, we went back to ST/DST pretty quickly.

Oddly enough, permanent DST was sold as the way to save money on fuel. It didn't. Some politicians seemed to even think that it would somehow make the day longer. I do not see that the general IQ and smarts these days.

So we have stupid people wanting permanent DST, we have ostensibly smart people who didn't think about the latitude issue, and solipsistic people living at low latitudes that don't care about those at the higher latitudes.

So how do you plan to make every single interaction go the way you want it to go? A world gone perfect, never any adversity.

What is so very interesting is that I was falsely accused, and I wasn't tased, tortured, sent to jail or shot dead.

And that my friend, seems to trigger you tremendously. Especially when th story was that despite the Standard slashdot Narrative, not every policeman or woman is a bloodthirsty monster, just itching to kill people, or whatever your belief is.

Yes, there are bad cops. But your narrative makes them all bad, and my story just pisses you off. That's pretty obvious.

The best case scenario is that a US company buys Element Pro. Then the EU can institute fines, fines, fines. EU barely creates, it stands at the finish line and extracts money from the winner.

Yes, so what on earth are you doing on Slashdot? This certainly has morphed, from me making a truthful admonition to people that their phones are not a safe space to me somehow being part of the police state, where they are gonna get ya, and can manufacture all the evidence needed, and all citizens are doomed.

This isn't even to make some sort of statement that bad things can't happen. Of course there are bad police, just like there are bad people. Are all people evil? Are they evil because some people make false accusations? I posted in here about a false accusation against me - too long to do. it again. But if I take the standard Slashdot intense hatred of law enforcement, I should therefore believe all humans are doing this.

Hell, the police I had to deal with in the fall accusation against me we pretty nice. Seems that a lot of people in here are caught up in a narrative, a prejudiced viewpoint.

Better move to Idaho, build a compound, barter chickens for bullets, Destory your social security card, no electronics, completely cut off from society. Because popo can get ya, and since everyone here thinks popo can just make shit up, you gotta do that. Leave civilization

Wanna get yourself even more paranoid? Popo can record your conversations by measuring the glass vibrations in your house windows. Popo can tell if you are using a radio by finding the IF frequencies. They can even tell what station you are listening to. Popo can disable your GM car using Onstar. Popo can even tell what you are working on by reading RF emissions from your computer screen. Cites upon request.

But they so seldom do this. It's expensive, labor intensive, and always saved for people who they know are doing sketchy things as they build a case.

Enjoy your fear and paranoia.

I feel sorry for people like you. Living constantly in terror and fear of popo, Why do you not move to another country where there is total privacy.

My entire point in all of this, is that you can do whatever you want to do. But using insecure devices is stupid. But you have a narrative that must be served.

First off my fear filled friend, I'm exposing my innocence, not proving it. I'm providing an alibi.

Perhaps you do not like alibis? If a gas station has me on camera, time stamped, and my credit card was used to purchase gas, or a soda, on my credit card, while my cell phone pings off a local tower, that goes a hella long way to provide an alibi.

What is your solution, homie? I just gave a fine way to show your location, and show your innocence if questioned. All by outside sources.

And yes, not all police are saints. Then again, not all police are the evil, evidence planting monsters you appear to believe. It's a spectrum, just like everyone else on earth.

What's more, I have some experience with wrongful accusation. It was sometime in the late 90's, the day after Christmas. I took my son to the local skating rink. about 20 minutes in, when I stepped off the ice, I was approached by 2 officers.

"Sir, where were you last night around 7 P.M.?"

Me: "I was at my parents house, watching a game on TV."

"Can you provide proof?"

Me: Yes, there were some 20 people there at the time,"

"Were you at the airport?"

Me: "I drove by around 8:30 on the way home."

Sir, it's better if you just confess"

Me: (quiet)

So we took it outside, I had the rink manager look after my son. I cooperated fully.

Already the police saw something was off about the situation.

They asked for my ID of course.

"Can you show us your ID?"

Me: "Sure - it is in my car, the red Chevy van right there."

The male cop gets on the phone, the lady cop accompanies me to my vehicle.

"Sir, you shouldn't keep your wallet inside your vehicle, it isn't safe you know."

Me: "It's a lot safer than inside the rink."

She started laughing. This whole thing was not adding up.

We went back to join the other cop.

"Me: Do you want me to call up my parents and relatives now? And I've been very cooperative - what exactly is it I've been accused of?"

Sir, a worker at the airport was threatened last night around 7 P.M., and someone in the rink says you were the person threatening the employee."

Me: "What do we do now?"

"My partner is going to pick up the victim, and we're going to see if he can identify you."

So I hang out with the lady cop while the other runs off to the airport. Comes back 20 minutes later with the victim. I stood with the lady cop, the victim stood about 25 feet away. I could see them talking, eventually the victim shakes his head. Office tells him to have a seat in the cop car. Then walks back to us, also shaking his head.

"Well sir, it definitely wasn't you."

Me: "What did he say?"

"You are taller, wear glasses, have shorter hair, have a beard, are more muscular, and don't really look like the guy who threatened him at all."

We walked back to the rink, They apologized, shook my hand.

"We're so sorry, Mr Olsoc, for the inconvenience, And thank you so much for the cooperation. I'm going in to speak with your accuser."

I chatted with the lady cop, she appeared to actually like me by this point. The male cop came back out.

"They insist it was you, even after letting them know it was definitely not."

Now it was my turn. When I get really angry my voice takes on a calm, apparently eerie tone, I'm told. Never yell.

Me: "I am the president of the youth Ice Hockey association here, my career requires me to work on sensitive research, and I have to maintain a clearance. My life requires I be pretty spotless. Let us make no mistake, if they do not stop, here and now, I will insist on them being arrested for a false police report, and we'll all be in court, criminal, then civil, so if you could do me and them a favor and let them know that if that is what they want, we'll pursue that."

He went in again, came back out

"All taken care of, Ol"

Only repercussions were getting ribbed a lot by the rink manager, and yes, there is some psychological damage to being falsely accused. And ended up on a first name basis with the police I was working with.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

So is it your thesis that the police can and will plant information on my phone for the Lulz?

I suppose there is a no-zero chance, just like there is a none-zro chance I can shit out a singularity.

Yeah, everyone in jail is innocent. And you are quite paranoid.

Now ima gonna give you nightmares. I make certain when I am at a store that I look at and wave to the cameras. I'ma going to buy everything on credit cards. In the even I am arrested in one of your Cops plant evidence schemes, I'ma going to subpoena cell phone records. I'ma going to subpoena their cop cams.

You think I don't have imagination? Au contraire. This invasion of your sovereign citizen rights are things I will plan to use in my defense.

SoI will counter your paranoia with the truth that these modern spying actions are equally likely to prove you innocent.

I haven't been able to find it, because it was several years ago, but in a case in New York City, a woman was raped, and the description of her assailant was circulated. They arrested a man who matched her description - she identified him as the perp.

But it turns out that he worked at a bank, and was working late that day. When he left the bank and checked out, the security cams showed him quite clearly at the same time she was assaulted. A week or so later, they found the real perp, who as it turned out looked very much like him.

Anyhow, you do you.