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Comment Re: Fraud if I did it (Score 2) 66

Yes, providing the info to bypass the portal and go directly to the entity is part of doing that ethically. And it is not something GoFundMe was doing. But it is not legally required. GFM was unethical but not illegal.
If anyone thinks this *should be* illegal, that's a whole different discussion. In my opinion, it is something worth writing to state and national legislators about changing.

Comment Re: Fraud if I did it (Score 2) 66

I'm a manager for a meta-charity org. We raise money all the time for charities without telling the charity in advance, particularly during disasters when time is critical to get the word out about the need. Right now, tonight, there are people and corporations across the USA raising funds for the various food banks. I doubt many of them have explicit arrangements with the food banks.

Done ethically, this sort of thing aids the main charity immensely. GoFundMe crossed all sorts of lines.

Comment Re: Fraud, pure and simple. (Score 1) 66

Every single piece of this is legal to raise money for someone else. To keep a portion of the money raised for yourself as long as you disclose to donors that you are doing that. As long as GoFundMe actually did send the remaining money along, it's all legal. Ethical? No. Legal? Yes. They never claimed to be the orgs themselves. In fact, they explicitly said they weren't the orgs. As long as you disclose to donors your process, it is legal. As far as I can tell, the law in USA (varies some by states) expects that donors will do due diligence before giving. The unethical part to me is the search-engine optimization: that misleads donors into thinking GoFundMe is the only or the official portal. But that's just unethical not illegal because GFM never claimed to be the only portal... that's legally on the search engines for presenting them that way.

Comment Re: There is nothing illegal about this. (Score 1) 66

You do not need permission to raise money on someone else's behalf. That happens all the time with both individuals and corporations raising money for causes they care about. It is perfectly legal. It is the methods that were shady, but GoFundMe (probably quite carefully) avoided illegality.

Comment Re: There is nothing illegal about this. (Score 1) 66

The three you cite were not among the 1.4 million autocreated pages. Plenty of non-profits are on GoFundMe. These three pages use personal pronouns and speak on behalf of the org. Using that phrasing would indeed be illegal for GoFundMe. The autocreated ones avoided that language.

Multiple websites claim that all of the autocreated pages have now been removed from GoFundMe, so you won't find examples tonight.
https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.philanthropy.com%2Fn...

It's legal to fundraise on someone's behalf -- people and corporations do it all the time, and they don't need the other entity's permission to do it. The place where GoFundMe crossed ethical bounds was on the scalper-level tipping and on the search-engine optimization, both of which actively interfered in funds reaching the donor intention.

Comment Re: Fraud if I did it (Score 1) 66

It is legal. People fundraise for causes all the time on behalf of orgs and donate the funds raised. The problem is a) when your fundraising interferes with direct giving and b) when your take of the donations is greater than your costs such that you are scalping the donations.

Comment Re: Er (Score 3, Informative) 151

Looking at the paper, I think the authors theorize that if they ran the test longer, the percent would keep rising. It was not the same people failing repeatedly. It was different people in each month, with some but not all overlap. It appears that maintaining vigilance is hard enough, if attacks just keep coming, most humans will eventually let one through. The summary appears to be correct, it just did not cite enough of the paper to explain the claim.

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