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Comment Re:Who cares? (Score 1) 158

And for normal users it is just a blackbox that does what they expect it to do.

The general point being made is that it does *not* do what they expect it to do, but it looks awfully close to doing that and sometimes does it right until it obnoxiously annoys people.

Most laypeople I've interacted with whose experience has been forced AI search overviews are annoyed by them because they got bit by incorrect results.

The problem is not that the technology is worthless, it's that the "potential" has been set upon by opportunistic grifters that have greatly distorted the capabilities and have started forcing it in various ways. It's hard to tell the signal from the noise when you have so many flim flam artists dominating the narrative.

Comment Re:Not artificial intelligence (Score 2) 158

Now the thing is, as a culture we greatly reward the humans that speak with baseless confidence and authority. They are politicians and executives. Put a competent candidate against a con-man and 9 times out of 10 the con-man wins. Most of the time only con-men are even realistically in the running.

Comment Re:Neither are we (Score 1) 158

it's somehow beyond any conceivable algorithm or scale we can possibly fathom.

It's at least beyond the current breed of "AI" technologies, even as those techniques get scaled to absurd levels they still struggle in various ways.

A nice concrete example, attempts at self driving require more time and distance of training data than a human could possibly experience across an entire lifetime. Then it can kind of compete with a human with about 12 hours of experience behind the wheel that's driven a few hundred miles. Similar story for text generation, after ingesting more material than a human could ever possibly ingest they can provide some interesting, yet limited results.

Comment Re:The question is... (Score 1) 312

This is a strong case for fixing the mechanisms that demand "full time" work, particularly benefits. Need to split especially health insurance off from employment status, one way or another. We need the flexibility to reduce working hours or years without being hit by the limitations of "part time work".

Also a good way to let some folks better assemble a 'full time' work life from multiple 'part time' jobs.

While more drastic measures may be premature, I do think it has always made sense to do something to break that "employer == path to health insurance" BS (as well as other benefits).

Comment Re:UBI can't work (Score 1) 312

The issue then is that if UBI is insufficient to live on, then it can't really replace welfare for those who can't get a job at all.

Also, in this hypothetical, where there are negligible "job opportunities", it's not like folks even have an option to augment with earned income.

I agree with the concern about "just cut checks" gives a lot of risk of the rich to change the practical value of the numbers being doled out compared to measures to assure actual access to the relevant goods and services directly.

Comment Re:It's not that (Score 4, Interesting) 312

The overall labor participation percentage in 1950 was 59%. Now it's 62%. The absolute max over the last 75 years was 67% around the year 2000.

Every generation laments the up and coming generation as hopelessly stupid and lazy. You can find writing to that effect dating back hundreds of years. It's like every generation forgets they were the "lazy and stupid" generation growing up.

Comment Re:Good (Score 1) 312

As you said, we can't "test" UBI.

The attempted tests are always plagued by at least some of the limitations:
- Small enough so that the larger economy made no adjustments to them
- Limited duration so participants *know* they need a long term strategy
- Trivial and/or unreliable amounts of money
- Means tested, only the ones that need it pay
- No modelling of the "taxpayer" half of the equation

We have repeatedly shown welfare can be an effective way of breaking the "chicken and egg" problem of hard to get good work when you are poor, hard not to be poor when you can't get good work.

Comment The question is... (Score 5, Insightful) 312

What does *he* envision a hypothetical scenario where AI has taken over an extremely large amount of the labor?

I'll grant that it is an *unlikely* scenario, but should it come to pass that we manage huge reductions in the need for human labor, and large chunks of the population pretty much have to 'stop working' whether they like it or not, what does he imagine the outcome?

Make an argument that AI isn't going to be *that* game changing, sure. But I really dislike the argument that humans don't deserve to get by unless they are somehow needed for work. Everyone do their part, but if there aren't as many parts to be done...

Particularly rich from a spoiled guy who hasn't had to *really* work a day of his life...

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