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Comment Re:Obligatory xkcd (Score 1) 156

Yes, identity politics is on the ropes. Heaven forbid that the size of the USA appear smaller on a map.

If you want a map that shows the US as smaller, you should use the Hotine oblique Mercator map, or maybe the Collignon map.

The USA really isn't that big. A big chunk of the North American continent is taken up by Canada, so anything that achieves your desire will probably make Canada look small as well.

Comment Re:Obligatory xkcd (Score 0) 156

And I still have no idea what you are trying to say. Maybe instead of getting angry, you could just...clarify what you are trying to say.

And I still have no idea what you are trying to say. Maybe instead of getting angry, you could just...clarify what you are trying to say.

You have not seen me angry. You just might be projecting a bit. That's a you problem.

I'll make my point as if I'm speaking to a child.

A continent is a big area on the earth

Some people living on one of the continents are upset. Africa is that continent.

Some say that the map used by most countries is really bad. They are mad about that.

They say that a change is needed, and needed right now!

Why are they mad?

They are mad because the continent they live on should be larger on the map. They say this is harmful and hurts children

How do we help them? We don't want children hurt.

they want a special map that they say doesn't hurt children because it makes their continent look bigger.

They want everyone in the world to use the map that doesn't hurt their children.

But there is a problem

Earth is a big ball

But people want maps on paper so they do not need to carry big balls around with maps on them.

There are many ways to make flat maps from a ball, but none are correct. All will make some places look funny and wrong.

Discussion - Is there a map that is right?

Discussion - Do maps hurt children? They say yes it does.

Discussion - There are many types of Maps - are they forced to use maps that they think hurts children?

Ima shift into grownup language now. So you can stop reading here if you are still confused. No flat map will be right. So arguing about what flat map is best or most accurate is like having an argument about who is the worlds tallest midget.... eerrm little person.

Now you might wonder what I use. A couple things. On my wall in my office I have a Mercator projection map. It is used as a reference for pushpins, and not for a moment as some determinant of continent size. Nothing is measured on it. That would be inaccurate and not very smart. The same would be true no matter what projections I used.

When I need distances, and directions, I use a computer program. It looks at the world as a sphere. And it calculates distances and azimuths in a manner that do not translate to a flat map very well. If I need the shortest distance and azimuth between some place in the US to another place in say Russia, it takes me over the North Pole, not what a flat map projection would expect. Tells me all the details I need. And while there are projections that might mitigate that to some extent, they are difficult to use, and if a Mercator projection is bad, those can be almost unreadable. For my purposes, there isn't a good flat map, only ones that are readable.

If you still can't understand - there is no solution for an accurate flat map, so pick a lane, and don't act like your a favorite map won or lost. All flat maps derived from a globe have various degrees of fail.

If you still really can't understand that, that's a you problem.

Comment Re:Africa Least Distorted and Centred (Score 1) 156

The want the Equal Earth projection: https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fequal-earth.com%2Fequal-...

It isn't perfect but it is a lot better than Mercator, at least as far as showing countries with relatively accurate sizes.

Sounds like they should try to force the entire world to change to what they want. And pray tell - what is stopping them from just using it? Seems pretty simple, just use the map that doesn't make children have identity problems.

Many projections, and if one offends you, just don't use it. Problem is solved.

Comment Re:Obligatory xkcd (Score 1) 156

I am much more worried about why the feelings of the president are hurt by calling a gulf "Gulf of Mexico", or even worst, "Fort Bragg" and other slaver-honoring names. Identity politics is on the ropes you say ? Maybe you need a mirror ?

Right - which has fuck-all to do with this.

I'm much more worried about the mental state of people who are so deranged by that asshat that they try to make every thing about him. He lives rent free in your mind, and has caused you to be stupid. Might want to get a brain scan, sounds like Trump cancer.

Comment Re:Obligatory xkcd (Score 1) 156

I'm not actually sure what you are saying. You seem really emotional about it, though.

Right - Can you tell me what I was really emotional about? Or just trying to dismiss what I wrote by the accusation?

I've seen reactions like your's before. They always occur when a person has nothing to accurately refute a person who they really want to disagree with.

Comment Re:If I were them (Score 1) 156

If I were them, I would not want to advertise the fact that I have more land than most people think.

I'm pretty sure even the somewhat-ancient Romans had that one figured out. The fact that certain world leaders (well, one really) might be confused about it today doesn't really change that. All the people who are in a decision-making process which could affect Africa know this already. They are smart enough to look it up.

Comment Re:New Zealand here (Score 1) 156

That is a cool site. I have played with something similar in the past. I hadn't tried putting New Zealand over Europe, so I was not aware of how small nearly all of the countries there are by comparison. I have long been aware of the problems with the Mercator Projection but when you use a tool like that website it really shows how much it messes with your common perception of country sizes.

Okay, he's say the Mercator projection should never be used again because it harms children. Also as a thinly veiled accusation of being racist.

What is the projection that shows all countries as their actual size, and is accurate, non-racist, and should be mandated ass the only allowable and fair map projection?

Comment Re:Size is not the problem. (Score 1) 156

No one is going around saying

No one goes around and says any of their biases out aloud. That doesn't mean they aren't biased. That's fundamentally the point here - the things not said.

Then again, who is saying that Africa is prohibited from having their own map? Some of the map projections can make Africa look huge and dominant. https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F....

Comment Re:All maps lie (Score 1) 156

All maps tell lies.

Maps that tell the least impactful lies for their particular application are the maps that are successful.

Is the problem that the map is misleading? Or is the problem that people are not smart enough to read and interpret maps?

If the latter is the problem, then altering the map doesn't address the problem.

It has to be the latter. All of the map projections are a marginally successful way to map a sphere onto a flat surface.

Rather than Ban Mercator, perhaps a teaching moment noting that the world's standard map projection is based on trying to make a sphere into a flat surface, and showing other projections. The children will soak that up like a sponge, and probably caught at the goofier projections.

Comment Re:Because Pneumatic Tires are Just Better (Score 1) 65

I think they do have some level of self-sealing available on car tires now but I've never tried them.

There's Slime, and then there's more hardcore compounds, like the stuff they put into military tires to seal bullet holes. Tire shops hate Slime, let alone anything thicker and more voluminous. Slime will seal nail punctures and the like. The thicker stuff will seal almost anything, but a) you will still need to add air in some cases, which is normally done with CTIS on relevant vehicles in the field, and b) it is a balance issue so it can only be done with large vehicles on large tires and at low speeds.

Comment Re:All maps lie (Score 1) 156

Most people in the world are so clueless as to the mactator projection that they don't even understand its purpose.

I want to share a small secret with you: most people aren't really into map projections strongly enough to have an opinion.

I want to tell you that you are exactly correct. If African children have identity issues, maybe it isn't the Mercator map projection.

Comment Re:All maps lie (Score 1) 156

Except they objectively don't. Unless you're flying a plane or navigating a boat across the ocean you have no reason to use a map projection that traces a path of constant azimuth as a straight line. The mercator projection is somehow the most popular despite the fact that it's primary application is useful for only a tiny minority of people.

Which map projection should we use? https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...

Painting this as some success of application applies some kind of knowledge that simply doesn't exist. Most people in the world are so clueless as to the mactator projection that they don't even understand its purpose.

Seems to be a bit of cluelessness by most people about how to get an accurate map onto a flat surface that in reality, the landforms are on an oblate spheroid.

But here is the answer to the poor African children and their loss of identity caused by the Mercator projection maps.

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F... The Craig Retroazimuthal projection. You start with what will help childrens identity and make that the center of the map. All other countries are much reduced in size, and the African children are restored to their proper identity.

Africa has issues, making map projections one of them is getting way off on a tangent. If Selma Malika Haddadi finds Mercator projection to be offensive, there are many others to choose from.

It is only successful due to its "marketing" i.e. it's use as an educational map - an application where it is successful despite being absolutely the worst possible projection for the job while telling the most impactful lies.

Reality is the exact opposite of your post.

Well then - which one of the projections should the entire world use? Surely there must be. one that doesn't harm childrens identities. Solve the problem, tell us which one it is. https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...

You have it in your hands to lead the world into a fair future of a universal map that tell no "lies", Are you up to the task?

Comment Re:All maps lie (Score 1) 156

All maps tell lies.

Maps that tell the least impactful lies for their particular application are the maps that are successful.

They don't lie when the map is on a globe - ignoring that the Earth is actually an oblate spheroid, not a sphere - but close enough.

And therein lies the problem. How to make an accurate map from a globe onto a flat piece of paper. Because you cannot. Attempts to do that get more and more ridiculous until they are useless for most purposes. https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F...

The strange thing is if this is somehow discriminating against Africa, the aggrieved can make an Africa-centric map projection - if one does not exist already.

Comment Re:Africa Least Distorted and Centred (Score 2) 156

Because it distorts other countries and continents far more, making them seem bigger than Africa when in fact they are smaller or similar size.

There are very real issues stemming from that. People tend to greatly under-estimate the size and potential of Africa.

Okay, what projection should be used that eliminates any issues for the entire world? If Africa is damaged by a projection they do not like, and with the reality that there is no accurate way to place a glob onto paper - who do you suggest be minimnized so the poor children are not robbed of their identity in this "world's (sic) longest misinformation and disinformation campaign, and it just simply has to stop."

This Mercator map is harmful to African Children mantra is just a victim's narrative. Because if it is true, then in order to make things proper for Africa, we have to purposely choose another area of earth on purpose to harm the children in that area.

Or the simplest answer is that if projections harm children - just make a new projection. You could make a quasi- polar projection that places Africa in the center of the map, and reduces everything else to teeny tiny insignificant ditdots. It would be a great experiment, deliberately making the Continent take up almost the entire map - the Children should gain pride in their identity, and be the start of Africa's ascension.

I'm not trying to Poe or be super sarcastic here, but it is hard not to call bullshit on bullshit. There are hundreds of map projections that might be more empowering. Pick one, or hire a cartographer to make an Afro-dominant Afro-centric map.

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