China Accuses NSA of Hacking National Timekeeping Agency (apnews.com) 56
China says it has uncovered what it describes as irrefutable evidence of American government cyber attacks targeting the National Time Service Center. The Ministry of State Security said the National Security Agency exploited vulnerabilities in employees' mobile phones beginning March 25, 2022, and later used stolen login credentials to access the center's computers starting April 18, 2023.
The facility in Xi'an provides high-precision timekeeping service for the government, civil society, and various industries. It also supplies data used to calculate international standard time. Chinese authorities said investigators found that private servers worldwide were employed to conceal the attacks' origin. The accusations emerge against a backdrop of mutual cyber-espionage claims between Washington and Beijing. Western governments and companies have repeatedly blamed Chinese hackers for intrusions in recent years.
The facility in Xi'an provides high-precision timekeeping service for the government, civil society, and various industries. It also supplies data used to calculate international standard time. Chinese authorities said investigators found that private servers worldwide were employed to conceal the attacks' origin. The accusations emerge against a backdrop of mutual cyber-espionage claims between Washington and Beijing. Western governments and companies have repeatedly blamed Chinese hackers for intrusions in recent years.
I'd care... (Score:2, Insightful)
I'd care if they were a government that gave their citizens proper human rights and didn't have clearly stated expansionist goals at their neighbor's expense. Never mind that they're constantly going after us with hacks as well.
With things as they are now I don't really care.
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No different than the US.
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yawn. do people really still this shit unironically? this was a line of thought we have when we're 15, not 56 year old men
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You're ridiculous if you actually think the US and China are the same on such things.
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correct. even a broken clock is right once a day!
the list of instances of us violations of international law and sovereignty, civil and human rights, coups, wars and straight out war crimes not including genocide on foreign countries is simply way too large for me to compile here, by comparision that of china would be anecdotal, and that would likely apply to most if not all arbitrary periods of time for the entire existence of the us, including the present moment.
and if you still feel somehow special i ha
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You gotta use a 24-hour clock.
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not including
typo, means "including".
Re:I'd care... (Score:4, Insightful)
I'll grant you that china is miles ahead on the repression of it's citizenry, but America is catching up fast - siccing the DOJ on critics, disappearing "undesirables", and telling the totality of the nation's military leadership that the new enemy are the American citizens who oppose the regime. Where's that lead?
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yea, totally different...
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Tibet is not reasonably a part of China. There are areas on the border where argument is reasonable.
OTOH, China hasn't traditionally been expansionist. If it were, Mongolia and Viet Nam would be parts of China. (And probably Korea).
Re: I'd care... (Score:2)
It's said that Mongolia is claimed by the ROC (currently running Taiwan)...the map they have used for China, in some cases, is quite a bit bigger than that used by the PRC. This suggests that the PRC has resolved some disputes, at least.
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The ROC originally claimed the entire extent of Ming China as their territory - this includes Korea, Mongolia, Tibet, etc. The recognised Korea fairly quickly, as the ROK was the enemy of the PRC and USSR, and "my enemy's enemy is my friend". They finally recognised Mongolia as an independent country in 2002.
Re: I'd care... (Score:2)
Very well put.
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Now?
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That's a pretty fair point, the Greenlanders could likely make the same.
I do think there is a bit of a difference between the agenda of a limited term presidency of extremists and the agenda of the Chinese communist party though. Never mind the whole democracy thing.
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The US has invaded all of its neighbours, most multiple times. Many of those neighbours got annexed and remain so. There was even a whole holy destiny religious thing to justify it. You didn't have to be a neighbour though, the US would invade you no matter where in the world you were.
Are. It's not in the past. Since WWII the US decided all the other po
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After WWII, the US spearheaded a new idea in geopolitics... instead of empires, the world would use a system of institutions like the UN, the WHO, the WTO, and the world bank to resolve disputes. The US invited countries to join this alliance network. In exchange for being able to trade with any country in the world (with the US guaranteeing freedom of navigation across the oceans) that country would agree to join the alliance network and basically have the US write their security plan. This was a remark
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True, and that system does work pretty well.
Of course, it's not the whole story. Vietnam is far from the only time the US got up to some unilateral shenanigans (i.e. bypassing all that nice world institutions stuff).
The US has a long and copious history of invading other countries, destabilizing governments (democratic and otherwise) and assination plots of everyone up to and including heads of state, and there's no shortage of it after WWII.
The outright annexation did stop post WWII. Well, except for a bun
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The US has invaded all of its neighbours, most multiple times. Many of those neighbours got annexed and remain so. There was even a whole holy destiny religious thing to justify it. You didn't have to be a neighbour though, the US would invade you no matter where in the world you were.
Yeah, back when colonialism was still a thing and everyone who was able to was behaving like this.
Are. It's not in the past. Since WWII the US decided all the other powers should give up their colonies and the US and USSR would have "spheres of influence" instead. So not outright annexation, but if you don't do as you're told, more invasions.
And then you go off the deep end. Why on earth was ending colonialism bad? Never mind that the colonial powers either gave up their colonies of their own accord (UK) or were given the boot (France), them giving up their colonies had nothing to do with America.
It's not "a limited term presidency of extremists." The current bunch are just less subtle. They're also more talk and less invading, so far.
No, the current bunch are a clear departure. Just like the rest of the West we haven't invaded a country for territorial gain since before WW2. Your attem
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I'd care if they were a government that gave their citizens proper human rights
Do the Chinese equivalent of the stasi wear masks? Because ours do.
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Why would you think they wouldn't?
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You have another name for masked individuals who don't wear badges and toss people into rental cars with civilian plates?
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You have another name for masked individuals who don't wear badges and toss people into rental cars with civilian plates?
Yes. They're called "criminals".
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To what end? (Score:3)
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If you can control an organization's time servers, you can wreak havoc within the organization.
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https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ntppool.org%2Fen%2Fjoi... [ntppool.org]
Authentication of NTP is covered in NTPsec
RFC 8915 Network Time Secu
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Skewing time of either the server or the client more than 1 hour stops HTTPS/TLS cold.
That's the least of what is possible.
And yes, using a bunch of distributed, worldwide time servers will detect manipulation. But what if your government to too paranoid to use someone else's time servers for the national authority timer servers? Dictatorships tend to be paranoid.
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If you're boring, you can trivially just break shit - make systems stop trusting TLS certificates, blow up Kerberos (which underlies AD), make it much harder to figure out what's going on via logging (which in turn will usually suppress alerting), etc.
Being a just little more clever and you can do all sorts of things.
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it was to force them to use daylight savings time, because why should only americans suffer
Pot, kettle, black, etc. (Score:4)
It's downright hilarious that a country with a very large and very active government-run intrusion team is now indignant that they have found themselves on the other end of a government-run intrusion operation.
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It's downright hilarious that a country with a very large and very active government-run intrusion team is now indignant that they have found themselves on the other end of a government-run intrusion operation.
Yes, the only newsworthy part of all this is that the Chinese can voice outrage about computer security attacks with a straight face. That takes some real moxie.
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Yes, the only newsworthy part of all this is that the Chinese can voice outrage about computer security attacks with a straight face. That takes some real moxie.
Not really, the US has been voicing outrage about things for years while doing them ourselves. For all you know all those "chinese cyber attacks" are actually being carried out by the NSA to get a bigger budget. What is truly amazing is that no matter how often US intelligence sources are caught blatantly lying the media still reports what they say as if it was fact. And people believe it.
JUst look at some firewall logs (Score:1)
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Liar.
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Ever seen one of those 'live hacking world map' displays? A Lot of stuff coming from China, but quite a lot of stuff going To China to.
Governments be hacking, yo.
why? (Score:3)
A government, US in particular, or Taiwan, would keep *this* skill secret until needed, most obviously in the event of war. Changing the network time could make a whole slew of weapons systems less reliable, if not useless.